illinilaw08 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Nov 9, 2016 -> 10:20 AM) I'm guessing no chance that Obama's nominee will get in at this point. We're screwed. Just hope RBG is able to last another 4 years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Gorsuch told he is likely Trump's Supreme Court pick: CNN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett05 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Oct 26, 2016 -> 03:27 PM) Obstruction now, Obstruction forever! Make sure you repeat that tonight with what the Democrats are planning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinilaw08 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 31, 2017 -> 02:00 PM) Gorsuch told he is likely Trump's Supreme Court pick: CNN I'm looking into Gorsuch now, but he doesn't seem that terrible (for a Conservative pick). http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/who-...al-views-234437 https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/cou...m=.e2eeae588320 There's some stuff that I don't really like in there - notably his position on RFRA and the contraception provision of the ACA, but he seems qualified to be on the Court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 31, 2017 -> 02:00 PM) Gorsuch told he is likely Trump's Supreme Court pick: CNN And Trump is turning it into a reality show presentation, bringing both candidates before he puts the robe on the winner. Or gives him a rose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Jan 31, 2017 -> 02:17 PM) I'm looking into Gorsuch now, but he doesn't seem that terrible (for a Conservative pick). http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/who-...al-views-234437 https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/cou...m=.e2eeae588320 There's some stuff that I don't really like in there - notably his position on RFRA and the contraception provision of the ACA, but he seems qualified to be on the Court. He's qualified, it just really sucks that the Republicans essentially stole a supreme court seat by refusing to hold hearings on President Obama's nomination. God help us if Trump gets a second pick from RGB retiring/passing. edit: the biggest possible change I think I've heard about him is that he's highly skeptical of Chevron deference. Edited January 31, 2017 by StrangeSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinilaw08 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 31, 2017 -> 02:20 PM) He's qualified, it just really sucks that the Republicans essentially stole a supreme court seat by refusing to hold hearings on President Obama's nomination. God help us if Trump gets a second pick from RGB retiring/passing. edit: the biggest possible change I think I've heard about him is that he's highly skeptical of Chevron deference. No doubt. The Republicans absolutely stole a seat through unprecedented obstructionism. And that's garbage, but the Ds can't filibuster the seat for 4 years. Agreed on his position on Chevron. Also agreed that Trump is turning the announcement into a circus... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Jan 31, 2017 -> 04:29 PM) No doubt. The Republicans absolutely stole a seat through unprecedented obstructionism. And that's garbage, but the Ds can't filibuster the seat for 4 years. Agreed on his position on Chevron. Also agreed that Trump is turning the announcement into a circus... Why is 10 months just fine but 4 years isn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Jan 31, 2017 -> 02:29 PM) No doubt. The Republicans absolutely stole a seat through unprecedented obstructionism. And that's garbage, but the Ds can't filibuster the seat for 4 years. Agreed on his position on Chevron. Also agreed that Trump is turning the announcement into a circus... They could do it. But I am not sure if they all have the political capital to get re-elected and do it. This is why what the Republican's did is a dangerous precedent. If the Democrats stick together, they can basically tell Trump they wont approve any SC nomination until Garland at least gets a vote. I think that many Democratic Senators would risk very little with this move, but there may be enough who fear losing in 2-4 years. It will be interesting to see what they do, someone has to end vendetta politics, but with the way Trump has acted I am not sure that he has given the Democrats a good reason to play nice. My personal opinion is that I dont really believe in these type of games, but at the same time, its hard to watch someone else do it and then hold yourself back on principle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Weren't the Republicans saying before the election if Hillary was elected the wouldn't let her get anyone on the Court? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 31, 2017 -> 04:42 PM) Weren't the Republicans saying before the election if Hillary was elected the wouldn't let her get anyone on the Court? While his history is poor, here's Ted Cruz last October: Asked about the Supreme Court at a campaign event, Cruz said, “There will be plenty of time for debate on that issue, there is long historical precedent for a Supreme Court with fewer justices, just recently Justice [stephen] Breyer observed that the vacancy is not impacting the ability of the court to do its job, that’s a debate that we are going to have.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 31, 2017 -> 02:46 PM) While his history is poor, here's Ted Cruz last October: Sen. Burr had this to say in October: Burr added: "And if Hillary Clinton becomes president, I am going to do everything I can do to make sure four years from now, we still got an opening on the Supreme Court." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 I think they'll confirm him and maybe negotiate for something else. With an aging court, I bet he gets at least one, if not two more picks. One would be OK, but two more could be a huge shift for decades to come. If there's any lawyers out there who can confirm for me that settled case law can not be overturned, I won't worry. But if that's not the case, I think lots of people should be concerned by the make up of the court going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 RBG needs to not die, and Anthony Kennedy needs to not retire like he's now threatening. Dems should block this nom out of principle, but it was a shrewd move by Trump to pick someone reasonable, even if I wholeheartedly disagree with him on everything AND the way he interprets the constitution... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett05 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 QUOTE (Reddy @ Jan 31, 2017 -> 10:36 PM) RBG needs to not die, and Anthony Kennedy needs to not retire like he's now threatening. Dems should block this nom out of principle, but it was a shrewd move by Trump to pick someone reasonable, even if I wholeheartedly disagree with him on everything AND the way he interprets the constitution... The Republicans did what the Democrats refuse to and that is let the people decide. The people elected the President that made it perfectly clear he would replace the spot with an Originalist. If the people would have elected Hillary, we'd have the hearing on Garland. As such, if the Democrats really do try and filibuster this, it's going to turn off much of America and could be a crushing blow to the Democratic party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 He actually made a choice that a normal Republican would make. I guess that when you need an established judge that the Senate will need to approve, you can't just nominate a Bannon inspired Leninist Nazi puppet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 QUOTE (brett05 @ Feb 1, 2017 -> 08:32 AM) The Republicans did what the Democrats refuse to and that is let the people decide. The people elected the President that made it perfectly clear he would replace the spot with an Originalist. If the people would have elected Hillary, we'd have the hearing on Garland. As such, if the Democrats really do try and filibuster this, it's going to turn off much of America and could be a crushing blow to the Democratic party. We can decide in 2020. Why is 11 1/2 months an ok amount of time to wait but not 4 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Feb 1, 2017 -> 06:42 AM) He actually made a choice that a normal Republican would make. I guess that when you need an established judge that the Senate will need to approve, you can't just nominate a Bannon inspired Leninist Nazi puppet. He replaced Scalia with a clone. Not shocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett05 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 1, 2017 -> 07:09 AM) We can decide in 2020. Why is 11 1/2 months an ok amount of time to wait but not 4 years? The court should be filled. If Scalia would have passed say mid-term, there would be no call to wait the two years as the people already voted for President Obama. In this case it was deemed by many that President Obama was not the same man elected in 2012 and in the middle of an election cycle, the decision was made to allow the people have a voice. Admirably really. EDIT: If there is an opening in the next election cycle for President, I'll be good with waiting for the election again. Edited February 1, 2017 by brett05 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 QUOTE (brett05 @ Feb 1, 2017 -> 01:47 PM) The court should be filled. If Scalia would have passed say mid-term, there would be no call to wait the two years as the people already voted for President Obama. In this case it was deemed by many that President Obama was not the same man elected in 2012 and in the middle of an election cycle, the decision was made to allow the people have a voice. Admirably really. EDIT: If there is an opening in the next election cycle for President, I'll be good with waiting for the election again. I literally can't believe people fall for these arguments. Scalia didn't die a week before the election, during the transition period afterwards. He died with nearly a full year remaining in Obama's term. Republicans said they were going to hold out through Clinton's term if she was elected too. It was 100% a power grab. The Constitution doesn't have a method of actually making the Senate do their job, so Republicans took advantage by not doing it. They successfully stole a SCOTUS seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 QUOTE (brett05 @ Feb 1, 2017 -> 09:47 AM) The court should be filled. If Scalia would have passed say mid-term, there would be no call to wait the two years as the people already voted for President Obama. In this case it was deemed by many that President Obama was not the same man elected in 2012 and in the middle of an election cycle, the decision was made to allow the people have a voice. Admirably really. EDIT: If there is an opening in the next election cycle for President, I'll be good with waiting for the election again. So why is the distinction ok at 12 months but not 24? Please lay out a rational argument for the difference. You aren't allowed to say "the court should be filled" when you had no issue whatsoever with the court remaining unfilled for a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Feb 1, 2017 -> 06:42 AM) He actually made a choice that a normal Republican would make. I guess that when you need an established judge that the Senate will need to approve, you can't just nominate a Bannon inspired Leninist Nazi puppet. Leninist Nazi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Feb 1, 2017 -> 08:00 AM) I literally can't believe people fall for these arguments. Scalia didn't die a week before the election, during the transition period afterwards. He died with nearly a full year remaining in Obama's term. Republicans said they were going to hold out through Clinton's term if she was elected too. It was 100% a power grab. The Constitution doesn't have a method of actually making the Senate do their job, so Republicans took advantage by not doing it. They successfully stole a SCOTUS seat. Exactly. If I'm the democrats, I make it clear - nominate Merrick Garland, and they will both confirm him AND promise no filibuster on any future nominee during Trump's 4 years. That puts things back to the way it should work, and pops the balloon on continued obstructionism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Feb 1, 2017 -> 08:14 AM) Leninist Nazi? Bannon is a Nazi, and he has described himself as a "Leninist" in that he wants to completely tear down the system to rebuild his vision (ethnic nationalism) in its place. LH is right when he says that this pick is what we could have expected out of a Jeb or Rubio or any other Republican. Edited February 1, 2017 by StrangeSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 QUOTE (brett05 @ Feb 1, 2017 -> 06:32 AM) The Republicans did what the Democrats refuse to and that is let the people decide. The people elected the President that made it perfectly clear he would replace the spot with an Originalist. If the people would have elected Hillary, we'd have the hearing on Garland. As such, if the Democrats really do try and filibuster this, it's going to turn off much of America and could be a crushing blow to the Democratic party. Lmao. A crushing blow. They literally have nothing to lose. They have been trying to play nice for the last 8 years. Now they should do everything they can to make it as hard as possible for this nut to put anyone on the Supreme court or any law passed. The ones who don't should be primaried when they are up for election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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