Who do you believe is MOST guilty in the Laroche situation?

[blackmooncreeping]

1) Laroche - He needs to understand that no matter how much he wants this and even if the Sox made a verbal agreement to allow it--it just isn't a good idea

 

2) Sale - He needs to shut the f*** up and worry about pitching

 

3) Other players - Disputes between another player and management are none of your business

This, 100%

[blackmooncreeping]

Honestly, I don't understand how it can be LaRoche. Its been widely reported he was given permission to bring his son to the clubhouse, potentially as part of the pitch to come here. He than made the decision that being with his son was more important than playing. Yes, he was directly involved in this whole piece, but nowhere did he do anything wrong. You can whine about him potentially leaking or telling people a story, but Sale / Eaton speaking there piece has nothing to do with LaRoche and it seems everything to do with how Kenny directed this.

 

I might not agree with LaRoche's beliefs on how to raise a kid, but his wanting to be with his kid is certainly better than the alternative (being a dead beat dad) and it was entirely his right to make the decision he did. On the flipside, if KW unilaterally did this, while he's the president, I don't really think it is within his right.

How tone deaf can Laroche be, he has no clue that multiple players/people had complained about the team? No way is he little ole innocent Adam on this, gimme a break. If he reacted to KW's request in that manner, you have no problem with it? Blowing off the team VP?

[blackmooncreeping]

I wasn't too entirely upset about things until LaRoche's statement. It seemed like a coincidence of bad assumptions until then. But once the statement was released, it is clear someone is flat out lying, and the organization is being burned down right now. Judging by Sale and LaRoche's statements, it really feels like Kenny is the guy in the wrong here, as both of them are telling the same story, independent of each other. That is a big red flag.

 

At this point, a CLEAR statement of leadership needs to come from this organization, and now I don't think it can just be a private speech and statement released from Jerry. They either have to flat out say that LaRoche is lying, or they need to have Kenny leave. This has gotten out of control, and the organization is a public embarrassment right now.

This could also be the case if:

 

A) Laroche is omitting the parts of the story where he blew off KW's initial request (as it seems to be stated in Nightengale's latest)

B) Sale comes to the defense of a teammate based on the limited knowledge he has of the situation (and we know he's been itching to pick a fight with KW for years)

 

Sale, not surprisingly, is basically parroting Laroche's version because it's the only one he's got. I want to hear Sale's response if it is proven that there were multiple complaints fielded by KW/front office previous to this train wreck. If so, Sale better be ready to eat crow.

[blackmooncreeping]

But what was the agreement? Did the Sox think he would bring his kid to the clubhouse all day and every day? Or did they think he would bring his kid along every so often? That's the key to me. What was agreed to? Or was this some ambiguous agreement where neither parties had a meeting of the mind as to how often the kid would be in the clubhouse.

Laroche obviously knew what the frequency would be, he's been doing it for the past 5 years.

[Wanne]

Where's the "Whoever agreed to this s***ty signing in the first place" button? It'll blow over. Good opportunity to finally be rid of Kenny tho (who nobody knows what he actually does anyway)...but not a good way to start a promising season.

[LDF]

I stopped liking KW about five years ago and this isn't helping matters. The team's probably better off just letting him go. He comes across as an untrustworthy jerk.

 

i have dislike kw since 2000 and i have verbally express my opinion on that many times. but this is not about like kw, this is black and white, total insubornation on behalf of org employee, which kw is pres of the org.

 

this is also a problem of others jumping into something that does not concerns them. this is an employee and management problem not a team problem.

[greg775]

To me the answer is obvious ... KENNY WILLIAMS.

 

He has a GM, Hahn, who obviously would have handled this better. This has been handled the worst possible way. Right now, as of today, you have millionaire players blasting management. In spring training of all places, lol.

FIX this, Jerry. Give Hahn the GM job and let Kenny move to LA and work for the Raiders.

[EvilMonkey]

I blame whoever blabbed to the media. Players always talk about 'keeping it in house' and then one goes off running to a reporter first thing? STFU and play baseball. They, especially Sale, should be happy that the .200 hitting boat anchor isn't there anymore to only hit 10 home runs and completely ignore the whole wide open left side of the field.

 

Then I blame AL for reacting like a baby about a reasonable request, regardless of what was or was not promised before.

 

Then Kenny, because...Kenny.

[thigpen89]

To me the answer is obvious ... KENNY WILLIAMS.

 

He has a GM, Hahn, who obviously would have handled this better. This has been handled the worst possible way. Right now, as of today, you have millionaire players blasting management. In spring training of all places, lol.

FIX this, Jerry. Give Hahn the GM job and let Kenny move to LA and work for the Raiders.

We don't want KW on the Raiders. For the first time in a long time we have a great front office who's turning the team into a legit contender. We don't need Williams mucking that up in any way.

[Panerista]

It's 100% LaRoche. Honorable mention to Sale for making it worse.

[Lemon_44]

I blame Hahn. He never should have signed the bum in the first place.

[hi8is]

I blame Hahn. He never should have signed the bum in the first place.

Hah. I hate to say it but my backing of this signing was and will likely forever be the biggest dose of crow eating the doctor will ever order me.

[BlackSox13]

There are many responsible for the mess going on right now but I think another factor worth considering that has yet to be mentioned is hi8is and his relentless pursuit of a good poop. Makes sense hi8is would be responsible for this perfect s***-storm, would it not?

 

[LDF]

There are many responsible for the mess going on right now but I think another factor worth considering that has yet to be mentioned is hi8is and his relentless pursuit of a good poop. Makes sense hi8is would be responsible for this perfect s***-storm, would it not?

 

 

oh man, constipation is really hard on the body, drives everyone crazy..... i can see it.

[Texsox]

I don't see how the kid is deserving of any blame.

 

If Dad told him to stay out of the way per the request, and he was on the mound and not "dialing it back".

[Black_Jack29]

If Dad told him to stay out of the way per the request, and he was on the mound and not "dialing it back".

 

My understanding is that the "dialing it back" had to do with Drake being around the team, period. In that case, it's all on dad.

 

[elrockinMT]

I think you heard it from the owner. Things probably could have been handled better. That's on KW, who has little tact. But I expected nothing less from Reinsdorf not to publicly spabk someone

Edited March 21, 2016 by elrockinMT