Knackattack Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 22, 2016 -> 01:05 PM) Rodon took a couple of months to figure things out when he got here last year. It wasn't like he showed up ready to go. Despite what Cooper said about Fulmer, I don't think he has anywhere near the pure stuff to carry him through the period of time it would take him to figure out things, that Rodon does. Rodon's stuff isn't that much better than Fulmer's IMO. Seems Carson sits at a higher velocity with the fastball and that curveball is nasty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 24, 2016 Author Share Posted March 24, 2016 QUOTE (Knackattack @ Mar 24, 2016 -> 02:20 PM) Rodon's stuff isn't that much better than Fulmer's IMO. Seems Carson sits at a higher velocity with the fastball and that curveball is nasty Rodon has some of the best pure stuff in baseball. He was a surefire #1 pick before his draft year started and a couple of teams over thought things. He has a ceiling of a workhorse version of Chris Sale. I like Fulmer a lot, but he is no where near that league in terms of ceiling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 QUOTE (Knackattack @ Mar 24, 2016 -> 08:20 PM) Rodon's stuff isn't that much better than Fulmer's IMO. Seems Carson sits at a higher velocity with the fastball and that curveball is nasty interesting pov.... i will honestly say, i will need to see how he performs before i can compare him to anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 QUOTE (Knackattack @ Mar 24, 2016 -> 02:20 PM) Rodon's stuff isn't that much better than Fulmer's IMO. Seems Carson sits at a higher velocity with the fastball and that curveball is nasty People knock him for his size, but his stuff is pretty big. He's been one of the nastier college pitchers I can remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 I have no problem sending him to AAA for a little bit to start. See how this rotation does with Danks and Latos. He'll be up this season it's just a matter of when. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 24, 2016 -> 02:58 PM) Rodon has some of the best pure stuff in baseball. He was a surefire #1 pick before his draft year started and a couple of teams over thought things. He has a ceiling of a workhorse version of Chris Sale. I like Fulmer a lot, but he is no where near that league in terms of ceiling. Such a thing does not exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Rodon has the Sale ceiling IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Mar 24, 2016 -> 07:03 PM) Rodon has the Sale ceiling IMO. I agree. Rodon's stuff is just as good as Sale's. Doesn't mean he's going to turn into a workhorse Chris Sale but he has a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 25, 2016 Author Share Posted March 25, 2016 QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Mar 24, 2016 -> 07:37 PM) I agree. Rodon's stuff is just as good as Sale's. Doesn't mean he's going to turn into a workhorse Chris Sale but he has a chance. This. Rodon has Sale like stuff. He also has a big strong and thick body that should lead to him being an innings eater. Hence my pick for a ceiling. It doesn't mean he will get there, but a best case scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 25, 2016 Author Share Posted March 25, 2016 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Mar 24, 2016 -> 06:56 PM) Such a thing does not exist. Clayton Kershaw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Mar 24, 2016 -> 07:37 PM) I agree. Rodon's stuff is just as good as Sale's. Doesn't mean he's going to turn into a workhorse Chris Sale but he has a chance. Agree whole heartedly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 I don't agree that Rodon has Sale's "stuff". Sale has 2 PLUS PLUS pitches and his 3rd pitch has developed in to a PLUS. Rodon has one PLUS PLUS pitch, his fastball isn't plus yet, and his change-up needs work. Not saying he can't improve upon them, but he doesn't have the quality arsenal that Sale has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Mar 25, 2016 -> 01:38 AM) I don't agree that Rodon has Sale's "stuff". Sale has 2 PLUS PLUS pitches and his 3rd pitch has developed in to a PLUS. Rodon has one PLUS PLUS pitch, his fastball isn't plus yet, and his change-up needs work. Not saying he can't improve upon them, but he doesn't have the quality arsenal that Sale has. I agree. Saying Rodon has Sale's stuff is slightly insulting to Sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 QUOTE (shysocks @ Mar 25, 2016 -> 02:49 PM) I agree. Saying Rodon has Sale's stuff is slightly insulting to Sale. i don't see this as insulting to sale, but of a exaggeration.... or crazy wish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 30, 2016 Author Share Posted March 30, 2016 Birmingham Barons @BhamBarons 22m22 minutes ago .@whitesox top prospect Carson Fulmer is expected to start the year in Birmingham but could see Chicago soon. http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/169...ng-major-impact … Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosoxgo2005 Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Saying Rodon has "Sale like stuff" is the most absurd thing I've ever heard. 1. Chris Sale has learned to work off his changeup. He gets ahead with it and puts people away with his Fastball/slider. It will add years to his life as a starting pitcher. Carlos Rodon has a changeup that is still developing, and has a long ways to go before it's even a usable pitch, let alone the show-me pitch it currently is. Sale's is ++, Rodon's is not good. Not that it cant' be, but that it isn't right now. Ceiling for it I would say is an effective third pitch. 2. Chris Sale puts his fastball anywhere he wants for the most part, and can touch 98-99 when he wants to while doing that. It's a true ++ pitch with movement, and has been since he's stepped into the league. Rodon, though he got better at it the end of last year, doesn't have near the command of this pitch that Sale does. Not yet at least. And he doesn't reach upper 90s anywhere near as often as Sale does. I noticed towards the end of last year Rodon was consistently 90-92, but hitting spots with run, thus limiting walks better and allowing weaker contact. It's a + pitch, but not near as good as Sale's. 3. Sale's slider and Rodon's slider are both wicked nasty. Sale's wasn't as great last year, but he wasn't using it as much, either. Rodon lived off his. Rodon has Sale beat here, and I don't think his slider is going to get much better, because it really can't get much better. Sale will have a Cy Young, maybe multiple before his career is over. He has three pitches that can all be grade A out-pitches in any given count. Rodon can be a front of the rotation starter, but I don't think he's ever going to touch Sale's ceiling, which I don't think Sale has even really touched yet, and he's already a top 3-4 pitcher in baseball. Not even close, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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