White Sox Sign Miguel Gonzalez

[BlackSox13]

Unless Danks lands on the DL, he will be in the Sox rotation. He will have some really good games mixed with some really bad games, just like he has been doing the last few years.

 

Gonzalez best chance of becoming a Sox full time starter will be next season after Danks and possibly Latos are gone. Sox can keep him stashed at Charlotte until then.

[Bob Sacamano]

Unless Danks lands on the DL, he will be in the Sox rotation. He will have some really good games mixed with some really bad games, just like he has been doing the last few years.

 

Gonzalez best chance of becoming a Sox full time starter will be next season after Danks and possibly Latos are gone. Sox can keep him stashed at Charlotte until then.

That's true. I really hadn't considered that idea. He could be a cheap 5th starter option next season.

 

[GreenSox]

Sonny Gray for just Tim Anderson....don't think so.

Now since we're on the subject of the A's, Josh Reddick is a much more realistic and relevant name to our discussion.

 

Presumably, Dan Jennings would be the one to go in possible Danks demotion to pen/long man/second lefty. And, with the way Duke has been pretty shaky against LHB, there's zero chance they just cut him.

Well Gonzalez was cut by the team with the worst pitching in the American League so I'm not really holding high hopes for him. I think Danks being acceptable or Eric Johnson coming in and throwing are more likely than Gonzalez.

As for Reddick that's a rent of an extreme platoon hitter who has never had an OPS over .800. A's would want Saladino for him and that would be a huge mistake. He's a major leaguer. Looking forward to our Anderson/Saladino and maybe Sanchez infield for years to come.

[ChiSoxFanMike]

Well Gonzalez was cut by the team with the worst pitching in the American League so I'm not really holding high hopes for him. I think Danks being acceptable or Eric Johnson coming in and throwing are more likely than Gonzalez.

As for Reddick that's a rent of an extreme platoon hitter who has never had an OPS over .800. A's would want Saladino for him and that would be a huge mistake. He's a major leaguer. Looking forward to our Anderson/Saladino and maybe Sanchez infield for years to come.

The Sox would trade Saladino straight up for Reddick 100% of the time and it isn't debatable.

[southsider2k5]

The Sox would trade Saladino straight up for Reddick 100% of the time and it isn't debatable.

 

And they would laugh the whole time after doing it.

[Kyyle23]

you know who has a career minor league OPS of .608? Tyler Saladino

[Bob Sacamano]

The Sox would trade Saladino straight up for Reddick 100% of the time and it isn't debatable.

 

100% this. Saladino is a backup on this squad. We can find another.

[Dick Allen]

you know who has a career minor league OPS of .608? Tyler Saladino

That's his major league OPS. But it is interesting how much more he seems to be thought ofwhen he went from probable starter to utility guy.

Edited April 15, 2016 by Dick Allen

[caulfield12]

.746 for his minor league career...

[Kyyle23]

That's his major league OPS. But it is interesting how much more he seems to be thought ofwhen he went from probable starter to utility guy.

 

My bad, I read that first line.

[Dick Allen]

My bad, I read that first line.

It's not like he's 21 so who really knows if he will hit, but it is one of the few White Sox position player prospects the last decade you can say is fundamentally sound. For a while, when they brought guys up, it looked like they had just taken up the game in the past couple of years.

[GreenSox]

The Sox would trade Saladino straight up for Reddick 100% of the time and it isn't debatable.

I admittedly have a higher estimation/valuation of Saladino than his numbers would warrant.

And I hate rents....their high failure rate just does that to me.

That the winning organizations don't dump their good young players, also does that to me. I'd rather that approach than than Kenny Williams 3/16 methods.

 

But par usual, here come the pejoratives for Sox prospects.... "utility infielder" just like Trayce is a "4th outfielder" and Semien and Phegley (who out-hit 1/2 the Sox regulars last year) are scrubs. While Cooper was pining and awing over Hector Noesi, Bassit was putting up solid numbers for a back end starter.

Let's not forget that utility infielder Escobar, who has outplayed every Sox SS since the Williams traded him.

On what basis is Saladino a utility infielder... Because Cooper and Ventura think he is? Because he's not highly ranked? Sometimes solid, but not spectacular minor league numbers translate to solid major leaguers. Check out the Giants infield sometime.

Edited April 15, 2016 by GreenSox

[southsider2k5]

I admittedly have a higher estimation/valuation of Saladino than his numbers would warrant.

And I hate rents....their high failure rate just does that to me.

That the winning organizations don't dump their good young players, also does that to me. I'd rather that approach than than Kenny Williams 3/16 methods.

 

But par usual, here come the pejoratives for Sox prospects.... "utility infielder" just like Trayce is a "4th outfielder" and Semien and Phegley (who out-hit 1/2 the Sox regulars last year) are scrubs. While Cooper was pining and awing over Hector Noesi, Bassit was putting up solid numbers for a back end starter.

Let's not forget that utility infielder Escobar, who has outplayed every Sox SS since the Williams traded him.

On what basis is Saladino a utility infielder... Because Cooper and Ventura think he is? Because he's not highly ranked? Sometimes solid, but not spectacular minor league numbers translate to solid major leaguers. Check out the Giants infield sometime.

 

You are way over selling a pile of players that isn't that good.

 

Thompson quite literally is a 4th OF who is starting because the guy in front of him is hurt.

 

Semien is an extremely flawed player. He is a decent hitter, who is one of the worst fielders in all of baseball. Phegley is a bench player on a bad team. Bassitt is in the Oakland rotation because of injuries to guys like Doubront and Parker, plus the trades of pitchers in front of him.

 

Escobar is starting at SS for a really bad team, and isn't a guy who will hold off a real prospect or starter. They already wanted to replace Escobar with Santana. He's a placeholder and a real utility player. Even a 2014 Jimmy Rollins put up a WAR of 4.0. Escobar put up a total of 3.1 over both 2014 AND 15 combined.

 

Realistically, every single guy you listed is a guy you would be trying to upgrade if you were a major league general manager. Much like Tyler Saladino is now. They are all lower echelon starters, if a team doesn't have a real starter to play somewhere.

[Chicago White Sox]

I admittedly have a higher estimation/valuation of Saladino than his numbers would warrant.

And I hate rents....their high failure rate just does that to me.

That the winning organizations don't dump their good young players, also does that to me. I'd rather that approach than than Kenny Williams 3/16 methods.

 

But par usual, here come the pejoratives for Sox prospects.... "utility infielder" just like Trayce is a "4th outfielder" and Semien and Phegley (who out-hit 1/2 the Sox regulars last year) are scrubs. While Cooper was pining and awing over Hector Noesi, Bassit was putting up solid numbers for a back end starter.

Let's not forget that utility infielder Escobar, who has outplayed every Sox SS since the Williams traded him.

On what basis is Saladino a utility infielder... Because Cooper and Ventura think he is? Because he's not highly ranked? Sometimes solid, but not spectacular minor league numbers translate to solid major leaguers. Check out the Giants infield sometime.

I thank God every single day you aren't the Sox's GM. Your love of C grade prospects is seriously out of control. In fact, I'm certain you're trolling us now. No one can honestly be in favor of having fringe major leaguers makeup the majority of the roster.

Edited April 15, 2016 by Chicago White Sox

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

I admittedly have a higher estimation/valuation of Saladino than his numbers would warrant.

And I hate rents....their high failure rate just does that to me.

That the winning organizations don't dump their good young players, also does that to me. I'd rather that approach than than Kenny Williams 3/16 methods.

 

But par usual, here come the pejoratives for Sox prospects.... "utility infielder" just like Trayce is a "4th outfielder" and Semien and Phegley (who out-hit 1/2 the Sox regulars last year) are scrubs. While Cooper was pining and awing over Hector Noesi, Bassit was putting up solid numbers for a back end starter.

Let's not forget that utility infielder Escobar, who has outplayed every Sox SS since the Williams traded him.

On what basis is Saladino a utility infielder... Because Cooper and Ventura think he is? Because he's not highly ranked? Sometimes solid, but not spectacular minor league numbers translate to solid major leaguers. Check out the Giants infield sometime.

I'm kind of with you on this only because giving up 25-30 years worth of players for 1 year (in hindsight) of a sucky player or 2 years of players who still have to prove their worth feels pointless.

 

It's so easy to say what we gave up is trash but maybe the light goes on somewhere along the way for some of these guys. With guys like Jackson and Latos on 1 year deals and Lawrie and Frazier on 2 years sustaining anything positive the Sox get might prove difficult.Yes everything feels good now but it can easily turn around quickly when others teams start getting 4 runs a game.

Edited April 16, 2016 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

[Bigsoxhurt35]

I love me some Saladino...sue me!

[GreenSox]

Prefer 5 years of Saladino to 2 months of a platoon hitter.

 

If I'm right on Saladino, it would allow them to trade Anderson for a good hitter (not a platoon hitter) with perhaps some extra years, instead of wiping out everyone else in the farm, if they have to.

We'll see what happens. Sox love to trade with Billy Beane.

 

Interesting thing about Frazier is that he spent 4.5 years in the minors before he hit the majors...and that was as a college draftee.

Edited April 16, 2016 by GreenSox

[Dick Allen]

Prefer 5 years of Saladino to 2 months of a platoon hitter.

 

If I'm right on Saladino, it would allow them to trade Anderson for a good hitter (not a platoon hitter) with perhaps some extra years, instead of wiping out everyone else in the farm, if they have to.

We'll see what happens. Sox love to trade with Billy Beane.

 

Interesting thing about Frazier is that he spent 4.5 years in the minors before he hit the majors...and that was as a college draftee.

For every one of the guys who became legit core players for contending teams after sucking it up until they were 25 years old, there are hundreds, and probably thousands who did not. All your prospects on Oakland lead them to 68 wins last year and 4-7 this season. In another year they will become heroes playing for a s***ty team and will need to be traded for more mediocre prospects.

[Bob Sacamano]

Seeing as though this team is going to rely on their pitching the most, they don't really have room for a "typical" fifth starter that Danks is. Sure he will eat innings and turn in a good performance every now and then, but it's the games like today that hurt. This coming from someone who has supported him coming into this season. The team needs a) to bump Danks from the rotation (is this person in the organaization?) and b) trade for a hitter if we are thinking about contending. Especially if the offense keeps hitting this way.

[caulfield12]

Well, the obvious problem there are Turner, Erik Johnson, Carroll and Beck not exactly being enticing options, and Fulmer clearly going through his own set of growing pains.

 

Agree they will need to do something, and Gonzalez is probably going to be the first option. Thankfully they have LaRoche's deal off the books, but looking for pitching AND hitting at the ASB without very much to entice teams in terms of trade return isn't exactly an enviable position to be in.

 

That said, we added Hudson, Liriano, Myers and Youkilis at no major expense in 2012, other than Eduardo Escobar.

[Bigsoxhurt35]

Gonzalez and Johnson need to be ready.

[southsider2k5]

Brian Bilek ‏@BrianBilek_ 47m47 minutes ago

 

Brian Bilek Retweeted Dayton Cripe

 

True but still... from '12-'16.

Danks:

HR/9: 1.35, K% 15.3, FIP 4.77

Gonzalez:

HR/9: 1.33, K% 17.1%, FIP 4.70