Internal alternatives to Avisail Garcia

[southsider2k5]

there were players and even if they were marginal upgrades, they are still an upgrade of what the sox have as dh now

 

Who, and who were you willing to give up to get them?

[Kyyle23]

ok lets talk about those facts, a dh, who the sox tried to trade, a player who was suppose to be hurt.

 

a player in avi, who was going to be a sub, if anything to backup a dh, who happens to quit.

 

time to address the situation when this dh quit and they could have signed any other player, and to boot, they had an additional salary to use. another hitter who could have been the 25th man.

 

so tell me, why wasn't any thing done????

 

show me where i am wrong!

 

Show me this player they didn't sign or trade for and show me that they didn't make any attempt to do either. All you do is make up scenarios to carry on your grudge against the front office

 

Here are some facts, they made what is believed to be the highest bid for Alex Gordon which he turned down to stay with the Royals. They were in on Cespedes until his asking price got completely ridiculous and the Mets gave him 30 million for one season.

 

But please, let me know how they made no attempt to improve the team at the DH/outfield position

 

there were players and even if they were marginal upgrades, they are still an upgrade of what the sox have as dh now

 

You can't even name one

[southsider2k5]

Show me this player they didn't sign or trade for and show me that they didn't make any attempt to do either. All you do is make up scenarios to carry on your grudge against the front office

 

Here are some facts, they made what is believed to be the highest bid for Alex Gordon which he turned down to stay with the Royals. They were in on Cespedes until his asking price got completely ridiculous and the Mets gave him 30 million for one season.

 

But please, let me know how they made no attempt to improve the team at the DH/outfield position

 

And, again, they brought in Austin Jackson, who would have replaced Garcia in the SLU until LaRoche quit.

[LDF]

Who, and who were you willing to give up to get them?

 

even players who were still fa's or became fa's..

 

you were the one who started on naming the names of the upgrades, go and do yourself your own homework.

 

i was defending my post of ranting on the owners.

 

and btw, do not try to chg the subject. i never said anything of a trade.

[LDF]

Show me this player they didn't sign or trade for and show me that they didn't make any attempt to do either. All you do is make up scenarios to carry on your grudge against the front office

 

Here are some facts, they made what is believed to be the highest bid for Alex Gordon which he turned down to stay with the Royals. They were in on Cespedes until his asking price got completely ridiculous and the Mets gave him 30 million for one season.

 

But please, let me know how they made no attempt to improve the team at the DH/outfield position

 

 

 

You can't even name one

 

ok let me filp this, show me players outside the FA that they went out to try to trade for that person, outside the ones they traded for already.

 

ref to cespy and that group, i still don't care about that, and i posted that several times. i still don't care. why?? b/c the money could have been in better use to fix the whole team, instead of having a 155 mil salary. btw, pls look up where i ever endorse spending money for cerp, gordon etc..... i never did. there is one person on this board who knows what i am talking about. lets see if he pops in

 

looney, murph to put a name on a couple of minor upgrades than what avi is.

[Kyyle23]

even players who were still fa's or became fa's..

 

you were the one who started on naming the names of the upgrades, go and do yourself your own homework.

 

i was defending my post of ranting on the owners.

 

and btw, do not try to chg the subject. i never said anything of a trade.

 

Oh, so they were supposed to go out and just BUY a DH in March with that 13 million dollars. i see now.

 

ok let me filp this, show me players outside the FA that they went out to try to trade for that person, outside the ones they traded for already.

 

ref to cespy and that group, i still don't care about that, and i posted that several times. i still don't care. why?? b/c the money could have been in better use to fix the whole team, instead of having a 155 mil salary. btw, pls look up where i ever endorse spending money for cerp, gordon etc..... i never did. there is one person on this board who knows what i am talking about. lets see if he pops in

 

looney, murph to put a name on a couple of minor upgrades than what avi is.

 

Oh, so you can change the subject to a trade now?

 

You are sitting here complaining that the Sox didnt go out and sign Murphy and Loney, who both took small deals MINOR LEAGUE ASSIGNMENTS, and the Sox are cheap owners for not wanting players that these other teams dont want. Strange

[southsider2k5]

even players who were still fa's or became fa's..

 

you were the one who started on naming the names of the upgrades, go and do yourself your own homework.

 

i was defending my post of ranting on the owners.

 

and btw, do not try to chg the subject. i never said anything of a trade.

 

lol, I didn't think you actually had a basis in reality for your rant. You just proved my point. You can be as bitter and angry as you like, but it would be nice if it at least some realism to it.

 

No, in the middle of March, there was no magic player that the White Sox were going to find to replace Avi Garcia because there weren't any. The only players available were more Avi Garcia's who might be better, but were probably just going to be a different smell of garbage.

 

In reality, no one wanted to break camp with Garcia as a starter, including Jerry, Kenny, and Rick, which is why they spent a good chunk of the winter trying to replace him. They made competitive to leading offers to at least Gordon, Cespedes, and Fowler as clear upgrades. Even after that they still went out and signed Austin Jackson and used him to push Garcia to the bench. It wasn't about being cheap and keeping money. All you have to do to know that is a lie is what the team did over the winter that directly contradicts that.

 

By the time that LaRoche walked out on his team, every single decent player was gone. Again, this is reality. If you can prove me wrong, please feel free to do so with some actual names.

[LDF]

Oh, so they were supposed to go out and just BUY a DH in March with that 13 million dollars. i see now.

 

ahhh you really can't see.

 

there were other fa's who was out there in march, let alone 2 wks ago who will be an upgrade to avi.

[Kyyle23]

ahhh you really can't see.

 

there were other fa's who was out there in march, let alone 2 wks ago who will be an upgrade to avi.

 

Yes, I see very well what you are saying.

[southsider2k5]

ok let me filp this, show me players outside the FA that they went out to try to trade for that person, outside the ones they traded for already.

 

ref to cespy and that group, i still don't care about that, and i posted that several times. i still don't care. why?? b/c the money could have been in better use to fix the whole team, instead of having a 155 mil salary. btw, pls look up where i ever endorse spending money for cerp, gordon etc..... i never did. there is one person on this board who knows what i am talking about. lets see if he pops in

 

looney, murph to put a name on a couple of minor upgrades than what avi is.

 

This is 100% in direct contradiction to your statement that the White Sox weren't spending money because they wanted to keep it all for the ownership. They were absolutely willing to spend for a good player, and you are acknowledging this to be true right here by saying that you don't care about it.

 

You finally admitting that is all I need to see.

[southsider2k5]

ahhh you really can't see.

 

there were other fa's who was out there in march, let alone 2 wks ago who will be an upgrade to avi.

 

Who are these fa's?

[Y2Jimmy0]

If the Sox agreed with this, he wouldn't be in the lineup five days a week. Ishikawa or Davidson would be on the 25-man roster instead.

 

I agree that Avi needs to take a big step forward this year, and that's what the Sox are giving him the opportunity to do. If he doesn't show them something this year, he'll probably be dealt for an inconsequential player in the offseason. But I have no problem with the Sox giving a 24-year-old more time to prove himself, particularly when their options are limited.

 

 

They tried to replace him all offseason. They basically made him a platoon guy with the Jackson addition. And then LaRoche retired.

[NorthSideSox72]

So, do we agree that there's nothing that can be done about Avi right now? And that maybe waiting until the trade deadline, when a replacement player might actually be available, is the better option?

 

That's pretty much where I stand, though I'm apparently a little more optimistic about Avi getting over the .700 OPS hump by then.

No. I do think you wait until maybe end of April, but at that point if he looks like Avi, he's Avi and it's time to make an improvement. Look outside and inside. I think outside isn't realistic until June or July though, and meanwhile I think you can do better. So you go with Coats or Ishikawa for May and June, then see what the outside world holds for options. Having some improvement for a couple months is not a small thing, and remember too that there may not BE any outside help available at the deadline. So you want internal options as, at least, a backup plan.

 

[LDF]

 

lol, I didn't think you actually had a basis in reality for your rant. You just proved my point. You can be as bitter and angry as you like, but it would be nice if it at least some realism to it.

 

bitter at the cheapness of the owners, yes as a fan i am pissed about that.

 

No, in the middle of March, there was no magic player that the White Sox were going to find to replace Avi Garcia because there weren't any. The only players available were more Avi Garcia's who might be better, but were probably just going to be a different smell of garbage.

 

you are creative in your slant or rant esp against me. you answered this whole thing with the bold.

 

In reality, no one wanted to break camp with Garcia as a starter, including Jerry, Kenny, and Rick,

 

and how do you know this, b/c you come up with a scenario.... pretty much as i did and you are saying i am wrong.... haha

 

which is why they spent a good chunk of the winter trying to replace him. They made competitive to leading offers to at least Gordon, Cespedes, and Fowler as clear upgrades. Even after that they still went out and signed Austin Jackson and used him to push Garcia to the bench. It wasn't about being cheap and keeping money. All you have to do to know that is a lie is what the team did over the winter that directly contradicts that.

 

you keep moving the goal line to fit your argument into a thought you are imagining. again, i am not talking about cespy or any other improvements, i am talking about finishing the job up to 2 weeks ago when players were avial.

 

By the time that LaRoche walked out on his team, every single decent player was gone. Again, this is reality. If you can prove me wrong, please feel free to do so with some actual names.

 

again, i care rats arse on laroche. this has nothing to do with him.

 

 

[LDF]

This is 100% in direct contradiction to your statement that the White Sox weren't spending money because they wanted to keep it all for the ownership. They were absolutely willing to spend for a good player, and you are acknowledging this to be true right here by saying that you don't care about it.

 

You finally admitting that is all I need to see.

 

yeah they have a whole 123 +/- invested and then 111 +/- .... i am not talking about 150 mil

 

and yes, they have the money.

[LDF]

Who are these fa's?

 

you are trying to prove me wrong, look for them yourself.

[Black_Jack29]

They tried to replace him all offseason. They basically made him a platoon guy with the Jackson addition. And then LaRoche retired.

 

Again, if the Sox think that Avi is so completely worthless and such a lost cause as you do, he wouldn't be in the lineup five days a week. They'd have somebody from AA or AAA in his roster spot and Sands would be getting more playing time.

 

I'm not arguing that Avi is great or that he's even going to be a legit ML player. But the Sox are clearly not giving up on him at this point.

 

[southsider2k5]

lol, I didn't think you actually had a basis in reality for your rant. You just proved my point. You can be as bitter and angry as you like, but it would be nice if it at least some realism to it.

 

bitter at the cheapness of the owners, yes as a fan i am pissed about that.

 

No, in the middle of March, there was no magic player that the White Sox were going to find to replace Avi Garcia because there weren't any. The only players available were more Avi Garcia's who might be better, but were probably just going to be a different smell of garbage.

 

you are creative in your slant or rant esp against me. you answered this whole thing with the bold.

 

In reality, no one wanted to break camp with Garcia as a starter, including Jerry, Kenny, and Rick,

 

and how do you know this, b/c you come up with a scenario.... pretty much as i did and you are saying i am wrong.... haha

 

which is why they spent a good chunk of the winter trying to replace him. They made competitive to leading offers to at least Gordon, Cespedes, and Fowler as clear upgrades. Even after that they still went out and signed Austin Jackson and used him to push Garcia to the bench. It wasn't about being cheap and keeping money. All you have to do to know that is a lie is what the team did over the winter that directly contradicts that.

 

you keep moving the goal line to fit your argument into a thought you are imagining. again, i am not talking about cespy or any other improvements, i am talking about finishing the job up to 2 weeks ago when players were avial.

 

By the time that LaRoche walked out on his team, every single decent player was gone. Again, this is reality. If you can prove me wrong, please feel free to do so with some actual names.

 

again, i care rats arse on laroche. this has nothing to do with him.

 

This is like talking to Donald Trump. If you don't like reality, you are just substituting your own. None of what you posted here is true. The evidence is there for you. If you choose to ignore it, I can't do anything about it. We are all leading you to water, if you don't want to drink it and be bitter instead, that is up to you.

[southsider2k5]

you are trying to prove me wrong, look for them yourself.

 

That is because there are none, and you know it.

[LDF]

No. I do think you wait until maybe end of April, but at that point if he looks like Avi, he's Avi and it's time to make an improvement. Look outside and inside. I think outside isn't realistic until June or July though, and meanwhile I think you can do better. So you go with Coats or Ishikawa for May and June, then see what the outside world holds for options. Having some improvement for a couple months is not a small thing, and remember too that there may not BE any outside help available at the deadline. So you want internal options as, at least, a backup plan.

 

yes and i agree, there will be no team willing to help, unless it is for a salary dump.

 

but the options are internal. as many have mention.

[Y2Jimmy0]

lol, I didn't think you actually had a basis in reality for your rant. You just proved my point. You can be as bitter and angry as you like, but it would be nice if it at least some realism to it.

 

bitter at the cheapness of the owners, yes as a fan i am pissed about that.

 

No, in the middle of March, there was no magic player that the White Sox were going to find to replace Avi Garcia because there weren't any. The only players available were more Avi Garcia's who might be better, but were probably just going to be a different smell of garbage.

 

you are creative in your slant or rant esp against me. you answered this whole thing with the bold.

 

In reality, no one wanted to break camp with Garcia as a starter, including Jerry, Kenny, and Rick,

 

and how do you know this, b/c you come up with a scenario.... pretty much as i did and you are saying i am wrong.... haha

 

which is why they spent a good chunk of the winter trying to replace him. They made competitive to leading offers to at least Gordon, Cespedes, and Fowler as clear upgrades. Even after that they still went out and signed Austin Jackson and used him to push Garcia to the bench. It wasn't about being cheap and keeping money. All you have to do to know that is a lie is what the team did over the winter that directly contradicts that.

 

you keep moving the goal line to fit your argument into a thought you are imagining. again, i am not talking about cespy or any other improvements, i am talking about finishing the job up to 2 weeks ago when players were avial.

 

By the time that LaRoche walked out on his team, every single decent player was gone. Again, this is reality. If you can prove me wrong, please feel free to do so with some actual names.

 

again, i care rats arse on laroche. this has nothing to do with him.

 

 

Yes it does have to do with LaRoche. Garcia would be DHing vs LHP only if LaRoche didn't retire.

[LDF]

That is because there are none, and you know it.

 

ok, if you say so.... you are always right.

[LDF]

Yes it does have to do with LaRoche. Garcia would be DHing vs LHP only if LaRoche didn't retire.

 

also maybe sub with one of the corners OF'ers.

 

i agree.

 

but when laroche quit on the team, no one is going to convince me there were not options in the fa market.

 

i am not talking about players who will be outstanding players, but player who can be a upgrade.

 

even an upgrade for that 25th man spot. there were laboring on deciding on whom it was going to be.

[bigruss]

ok, if you say so.... you are always right.

The fact that you aren't even willing to list a FA and compare them statistically to Laroche is all anyone needs to see, you're arguing just to argue and have no ground to stand on here.

[Black_Jack29]

Yes it does have to do with LaRoche. Garcia would be DHing vs LHP only if LaRoche didn't retire.

 

Avi would probably be in AAA if LaRoche were still on the roster. He needs to be facing as much pitching as possible right now.