Frazier's struggles

[hi8is]

Talk to me in the middle of May

[ChiSoxFanMike]

Despite the team being 8-3 it is pretty obvious they are no more,than a 65-70 win team. Just from what I hav read here, there are a lot of problems.

 

Eaton, Lawrie clubhouse cancers

Avila, Fraizer, Cabrera, Rollins washed up

The league has figured out Abreu

Avi is one of the worst players in baseball

Jerry Sands serves no purpose

They have Danks in the rotation and Petricka, Duke, Putnam in the bullpen

You know it is just a matter of time with Latos

Even Chris Sale is too much of a hot head and should go away.

Finally they are managed by a stooge.

8-3 with 9 games in the road is OK, but despite all these horrible players and manager and coaches, it clearly should be better. The fans deserve better.

Did you forget to type this post in green font?

[Rowand44]

Been holding off on raising this but I can't be the only one who is having LaRoche/Dunn/Thome flashbacks given Frazier's early struggles I can't keep it in anymore. He's batting .178 and that includes today's gift popup hit. 10K's in 45 at bats on pace for over 200.

 

No he's not Dunn or LaRoche. But LaRoche was coming off a great first half, bad second half season and so is Todd. Also he's adjusting to AL, which the other two struggled with.

 

I'm not overly confident he'll hit even .240 this year. And that will kill this team. Really really really hope it picks up soon.

 

the offense has been hidden by stellar pitching but Todd, Abreu with 12 K's in 36 at bats, Rollins, Jackson, Avi Ugh, Avila, Navarro, Shuck. We can have 4 guys struggle. Not 8. Sooner rather than later please!

You have to remember that Todd came off a bad 2nd half in 2014 and did just fine in 2015. He just seems to be a streaky half to half hitter and the numbers even out to a pretty good season. It's 11 games, no need to worry yet.

 

Despite the team being 8-3 it is pretty obvious they are no more,than a 65-70 win team. Just from what I hav read here, there are a lot of problems.

 

Eaton, Lawrie clubhouse cancers

Avila, Fraizer, Cabrera, Rollins washed up

The league has figured out Abreu

Avi is one of the worst players in baseball

Jerry Sands serves no purpose

They have Danks in the rotation and Petricka, Duke, Putnam in the bullpen

You know it is just a matter of time with Latos

Even Chris Sale is too much of a hot head and should go away.

Finally they are managed by a stooge.

8-3 with 9 games in the road is OK, but despite all these horrible players and manager and coaches, it clearly should be better. The fans deserve better.

All of these are the majority opinion of the board of course.

Edited April 17, 2016 by Rowand44

[Bigsoxhurt35]

This is a ridiculous thread. Two weeks into the season and he's compare to those clowns.

[Bigsoxhurt35]

Instead of stressing about what is going to go wrong, people could just enjoy what is going right.

I'm enjoying having a professional baseball team.

[Texsox]

Instead of stressing about what is going to go wrong, people could just enjoy what is going right.

 

When the team does regress to a more realistic level no amount of preparation is going to make the slide easier. So I'm with SS2k5, rock the wins and enjoy.

[Lip Man 1]

I don't think there's a Sox fan alive who hasn't enjoyed this first place start. We're winning for the first time in a very long time, and the experience is quite refreshing. I think the point some are trying to put forward in this thread is the sustainability of the winning given the continuation of the poor offense we saw all of last year. We were dead last in offense last year, and now early on we find ourselves third to last.

 

It should get better as the season moves on, but when you acknowledge that the only real upgrade in the offense over the winter was Frazier, and to a lesser extent Frazier, it's fair to question whether the offense as currently constructed will be good enough for the long haul.

 

Excellent post. Well said.

 

Mark

 

[Lip Man 1]

Instead of stressing about what is going to go wrong, people could just enjoy what is going right.

 

Good point but when you've had six losing seasons in the past nine years (historically the worst stretch for the franchise since 1968-1980) its understandable fans get concerned.

 

Mark

[southsider2k5]

Some of us are not stressing over "what is going to go wrong," but rather over what has gone wrong, for quite a while now. I remember all too well the many games last year, in which Sale and Quintana pitched great, but the offense couldn't score enough to get them a win. The winning record aside, we are just wondering if the front office has sufficiently upgraded this offense enough to reverse that frustrating trend.

 

Of course, the players who are struggling are not likely to do this poorly all season. The question is how much better will they do. What do you expect to get from all of the new guys on the roster? Do you think that Lawrie and Frazier will improve on their career numbers? I certainly hope that we can look forward to better than their

combined career .315 OBP, which I pointed out in a previous post.

 

You totally missed the point. The point is to enjoy good baseball.

[southsider2k5]

Good point but when you've had six losing seasons in the past nine years (historically the worst stretch for the franchise since 1968-1980) its understandable fans get concerned.

 

Mark

 

Why waste your time on baseball at all if your strategy is to be miserable even when things are going well? Just kick yourself in the nuts and get it over with.

[southsider2k5]

When the team does regress to a more realistic level no amount of preparation is going to make the slide easier. So I'm with SS2k5, rock the wins and enjoy.

 

Some people just want to be miserable.

[Rowand44]

Why waste your time on baseball at all if your strategy is to be miserable even when things are going well? Just kick yourself in the nuts and get it over with.

That sounds difficult.

[flavum]

Definitely enjoying the early wins and hopeful for contending all season, but if they average 3.5 runs a game, they won't.

 

I think the next four series against the Angels, Rangers, Blue Jays, and Orioles will see the Sox score a little more...they better.

[Texsox]

Why waste your time on baseball at all if your strategy is to be miserable even when things are going well? Just kick yourself in the nuts and get it over with.

 

 

That sounds difficult.

I wonder how many guys here will give it a try

 

This debate rears it's head every year. I've always believe that first you should love the sport you are watching. I've had some great days watching baseball. A few of them I couldn't even tell you now who won the game.

[Thad Bosley]

Why waste your time on baseball at all if your strategy is to be miserable even when things are going well? Just kick yourself in the nuts and get it over with.

Lol - such a silly thing to say. No contributor to this thread has acted as if he or she is "miserable", outside of maybe you and Dick Allen, given comments like this one and the overreaction by Dick in his earlier comments.

 

All that's going on in this thread is an acknowledgment by several astute posters of the fact that the baseball season is a marathon, not a sprint. So while the sprint of the past two weeks has been awesome and very enjoyable, there is a legitimate concern about sustainability given this team's shortcomings on offense. You can be a very happy person and have this concern.

Edited April 17, 2016 by Thad Bosley

[Dick Allen]

Lol - such a silly thing to say. No contributor to this thread has acted as if he or she is "miserable", outside of maybe you and Dick Allen, given comments like this one and the overreaction by Dick in his earlier comments.

 

All that's going on in this thread is an acknowledgment by several astute posters of the fact that the baseball season is a marathon, not a sprint. So while the sprint of the past two weeks has been awesome and very enjoyable, there is a legitimate concern about sustainability given this team's shortcomings on offense. You can be a very happy person and have this concern.

LOL. You have admitted you can't determine if a season is exciting or not until it is over. And the only way for a season to be exciting is to win a WS. Hence your numerous 1 exciting season under JR ownership posts.The fact is, I see this team not hitting but still 8-3. It is a reason to be optimistic about the future. In basketball, when a team shoots 30 percent in a half and has the lead or is only behind a little bit, it is thought of as a good sign. I liken this start to that. Expecting impending doom is a miserable way to look at things.

Edited April 17, 2016 by Dick Allen

[BaconOnAStick]

I can enjoy the winning and be happy about the team while also realizing the Frazier trade was a bad one.

[Boopa1219]

There's almost no caparison between Fraizer and Dunn/LaRoche/Thome.

[Thad Bosley]

LOL. You have admitted you can't determine if a season is exciting or not until it is over. And the only way for a season to be exciting is to win a WS. Hence your numerous 1 exciting season under JR ownership posts.The fact is, I see this team not hitting but still 8-3. It is a reason to be optimistic about the future. In basketball, when a team shoots 30 percent in a half and has the lead or is only behind a little bit, it is thought of as a good sign. I liken this start to that. Expecting impending doom is a miserable way to look at things.

The only one apparently "miserable" around here today has been you, Dick Allen. All of the rage in these various posts in this thread which have almost universally agreed by everyone to be a complete overreaction on your part to the simple topic at hand. There really is need or call for your Angry Bird routine. This is a fan site/message board for a baseball team. Fans will have and express concerns about the team - that's the way it works.

 

I'm sorry you have such a difficult time with a point of view on things that is different than your own. That's what seems to make you so miserable all of the time.

[oldsox]

Well, Frazier is in a complete funk now. 4 AB's, 4 K's. Golden Sombrero.

[harkness99]

Frazier looked really lost out there at the plate.. .however it's way too early to judge him much.

 

However the lineup as a whole certainly is not lathering up anyone with confidence right now.

[Lillian]

This slow start by the offense may turn out to be a blessing. Given the team's early success on the road, and the terrific pitching, if they had been hitting better, Hahn and Williams. would likely be patting themselves on the back, while sitting back and staying pat with the roster. Especially following the productive hitting in Spring Training, it's likely they wouldn't be very motivated to go after another bat. This very slow start to the offense may provide a wake up call to the front office.

 

Count me among the optimists here. I actually think that this team is very close to being a really serious contender. Believing that they are perhaps just one more solid hitter away from being a championship caliber team can hardly be considered pessimistic. I just think that it would be a shame not to try to put the finishing touches on this roster.

 

It is curious how so many were convinced that the Sox needed to acquire one of the 3 highly sought after free agent outfielders, and yet having failed to do so, now it seems that anyone who expresses concern over the offense is an irrational pessimist. There may not be any viable options out there, but that does not mean that any concerns over this offense are misplaced. I hope that the front office won't leave any stone unturned, in an effort to try to put this team over the top.

Edited April 17, 2016 by Lillian

[kitekrazy]

I can enjoy the winning and be happy about the team while also realizing the Frazier trade was a bad one.

 

How so? I guess if the organization wants instant results they need to avoid NL players. I'm not really surprised by his start. It could be worse if he wasn't good at defense.

Yet the organization seems to repeat this without looking at the history. I think it was a great trade since he's not an aging NL veteran.

 

[Leonard Zelig]

The only one apparently "miserable" around here today has been you, Dick Allen. All of the rage in these various posts in this thread which have almost universally agreed by everyone to be a complete overreaction on your part to the simple topic at hand. There really is need or call for your Angry Bird routine. This is a fan site/message board for a baseball team. Fans will have and express concerns about the team - that's the way it works.

 

I'm sorry you have such a difficult time with a point of view on things that is different than your own. That's what seems to make you so miserable all of the time.

 

You are delusional or just trying to stir up s*** if you think DA's posts in this thread contain rage.

[Jake]

I'd like to see Frazier play better, but I'm not super concerned. Even if he doesn't meet expectations, I very strongly doubt we look back at the end of the year and see Frazier's performance as the thing that held us back. Also, FWIW, I can't think of a good reason why the switch from NL to AL would be an explanation for a big shift in production.