20 Players Who Could Be Dealt At Deadline (MLB.com)

[Jose Abreu]

I'm excited for our 1st round pick/comp pick to be in the MLB outfield in August.

 

/semi-green

[shysocks]

Todd Frazier cost Montas, Thompson, & Johnson. No way in hell CarGo costs two top 50 type prospects. Outside of a few select trades (Shelby Miller, Cole Hamel), teams simply aren't giving up high end prospects and definitely not without years of control or limited payroll obligations for the player being acquired.

I remember seeing stories over the winter about how out-of-control their ask for CarGo was, though. That's what the price would be, and with the way he's playing I see no reason the Rockies would back off now.

[SoxSteve]

It is his fault no one wants him when Atlanta would love to do nothing more than dump him like they did the rest of their vets.

 

I know stats are out of your league and all, but taking a five year sample of dWAR shows

 

Melky -3.8

Markaikis -4.9

 

The numbers show they are both bad in the OF, but Nick is clearly worse.

Again forget about WAR. Austin Jackson has a better WAR than Fowler but who do you want on your team? A guy who gets on base at a 370 clip or a guy who can't get on base. We need a 2 hole hitter not a number 9 hitter. Sure Jackson is a better fielder but thats why we have defensive replacements. We need a 2 hole hitter that won't cost us our minor leagues. He fits the bill perfectly no matter what his WAR says. And flowers was a great pitch framer, lol. Meaningless

[Black_Jack29]

I'd like Josh Reddick. I think he'd be cheaper than Cargo and I would offer Reddick an extension in the areas of $15-18 million per.

 

I like Reddick as well, but I doubt that he'll sign an extension here. If he wants to get paid, he'll hit the free agent market this winter.

 

[Y2Jimmy0]

Again forget about WAR. Austin Jackson has a better WAR than Fowler but who do you want on your team? A guy who gets on base at a 370 clip or a guy who can't get on base. We need a 2 hole hitter not a number 9 hitter. Sure Jackson is a better fielder but thats why we have defensive replacements. We need a 2 hole hitter that won't cost us our minor leagues. He fits the bill perfectly no matter what his WAR says. And flowers was a great pitch framer, lol. Meaningless

 

 

I don't think Steve likes stats.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

Morneau should also be available some time in June. He would be the best option if the Sox decide another starting pitcher is needed. Also should keep in mind Buerhle since he hasn't announced his retirement has he ?

 

Sox could get a leg up on Morneau by signing him during his elbow rehab to make sure its getting treated up to the Sox standards. He has shown he can still hit during the last 2 seasons (limited AB's in 2015). He even got enough support to come in 23rd in MVP voting in 2014. Yes we all know Colorado is a factor but I like that he isn't totally useless against lefties while hitting righties very well and is not a defensive liability.

[southsider2k5]

Again forget about WAR. Austin Jackson has a better WAR than Fowler but who do you want on your team? A guy who gets on base at a 370 clip or a guy who can't get on base. We need a 2 hole hitter not a number 9 hitter. Sure Jackson is a better fielder but thats why we have defensive replacements. We need a 2 hole hitter that won't cost us our minor leagues. He fits the bill perfectly no matter what his WAR says. And flowers was a great pitch framer, lol. Meaningless

 

I am not going to leave out a valid piece of research just because you don't like it. It doesn't work like that. The metrics can be bulky in sample sizes, but we have five years of negative ratings in a row from Markaikis. That is plenty for me to believe that he is a bad defender.

 

All defensive metrics except pitch framing said that Flowers was a bad defender, so you only shooting yourself in the foot right there. You also have to go back to 2013 to find Fowler with a better WAR than AJax, so I am not sure what you are seeing there.

 

 

[OmarComing25]

Again forget about WAR. Austin Jackson has a better WAR than Fowler but who do you want on your team? A guy who gets on base at a 370 clip or a guy who can't get on base. We need a 2 hole hitter not a number 9 hitter. Sure Jackson is a better fielder but thats why we have defensive replacements. We need a 2 hole hitter that won't cost us our minor leagues. He fits the bill perfectly no matter what his WAR says. And flowers was a great pitch framer, lol. Meaningless

Sounds like a classic case of "this stat doesn't fit my viewpoint, so I'm just going to ignore it". And no, Austin Jackson doesn't have a better WAR than Fowler, not sure what you're looking at.

[SoxSteve]

Sounds like a classic case of "this stat doesn't fit my viewpoint, so I'm just going to ignore it". And no, Austin Jackson doesn't have a better WAR than Fowler, not sure what you're looking at.

No it's the classic case of using WAR as a argument whether we should get a guy or not. Do you guys actually sit here and say" well i wish we had Justin upton on the Sox" but I'm not sure what is his WAR"? If i wish i had a dollar for every post when someone here said we should get Ian Desmond because he had a plus 2 or 3 WAR or whatever. Well i look at his his last 3 year average of 170 strikeouts and his 25 errors to realize he doesn't fit out team. But i look at a guy like Fowler or Markaikis and their OBP and say i wish we had one one those in the 2 hole no matter what there stupid WAR is.

[southsider2k5]

No it's the classic case of using WAR as a argument whether we should get a guy or not. Do you guys actually sit here and say" well i wish we had Justin upton on the Sox" but I'm not sure what is his WAR"? If i wish i had a dollar for every post when someone here said we should get Ian Desmond because he had a plus 2 or 3 WAR or whatever. Well i look at his his last 3 year average of 170 strikeouts and his 25 errors to realize he doesn't fit out team. But i look at a guy like Fowler or Markaikis and their OBP and say i wish we had one one those in the 2 hole no matter what there stupid WAR is.

 

Actually yes, front offices have evolved past the Hawk Harrelson age of feelings and eye tests, and do look at advanced statistics. The White Sox are one of them. Though I do appreciate the irony of calling something stupid, while using the wrong "there".

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

Actually yes, front offices have evolved past the Hawk Harrelson age of feelings and eye tests, and do look at advanced statistics. The White Sox are one of them. Though I do appreciate the irony of calling something stupid, while using the wrong "there".

 

The wrong "there" is used so often that I wonder if anyone ever took 5th grade English classes and the rules for which one to use are really pretty simple. It's almost as annoying as saying "would of", "should of" and "could of" as if the word "have" or contractions never existed. "They're" fits right into the "there" problem and the contraction issue. Double edged sword

Edited April 21, 2016 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

[OmarComing25]

No it's the classic case of using WAR as a argument whether we should get a guy or not. Do you guys actually sit here and say" well i wish we had Justin upton on the Sox" but I'm not sure what is his WAR"? If i wish i had a dollar for every post when someone here said we should get Ian Desmond because he had a plus 2 or 3 WAR or whatever. Well i look at his his last 3 year average of 170 strikeouts and his 25 errors to realize he doesn't fit out team. But i look at a guy like Fowler or Markaikis and their OBP and say i wish we had one one those in the 2 hole no matter what there stupid WAR is.

You are too narrowly focused on just a handful of stats. 170 strikeouts and 25 errors don't tell me much about whether a guy was good or not. Kris Bryant and Chris Davis led their respective leagues in strikeouts last year but they were two of the best players in baseball in 2015. Josh Donaldson makes a lot of errors every year but he's one of the best defenders in the game. On the other hand, being good at one stat doesn't mean you're good overall. Markakis's .370 OBP last year was very good, but when packaged with no power, poor defense and bad baserunning, it doesn't make for a very valuable player, particularly coming from a corner outfield spot. WAR isn't perfect, but it allows you to see the whole picture. It also takes into account stuff like league, ballpark and positional adjustments, which means you can't just take all these stats at face value.

Edited April 21, 2016 by OmarComing25

[Bigsoxhurt35]

Give me an impact bat and a lefty out of the pen from somewhere and this team will compete until the end.

[SoxSteve]

You are too narrowly focused on just a handful of stats. 170 strikeouts and 25 errors don't tell me much about whether a guy was good or not. Kris Bryant and Chris Davis led their respective leagues in strikeouts last year but they were two of the best players in baseball in 2015. Josh Donaldson makes a lot of errors every year but he's one of the best defenders in the game. On the other hand, being good at one stat doesn't mean you're good overall. Markakis's .370 OBP last year was very good, but when packaged with no power, poor defense and bad baserunning, it doesn't make for a very valuable player, particularly coming from a corner outfield spot. WAR isn't perfect, but it allows you to see the whole picture. It also takes into account stuff like league, ballpark and positional adjustments, which means you can't just take all these stats at face value.

True but those guys knocked in 100 plus runs and hit 30 homers. And when it's your average for the last 3 years that tells me something and its not the kind of player i want on my team. I don't need to see what his WAR IS. That's says it all

[caulfield12]

True but those guys knocked in 100 plus runs and hit 30 homers. And when it's your average for the last 3 years that tells me something and its not the kind of player i want on my team. I don't need to see what his WAR IS. That's says it all

 

And putting up those RBI numbers are completely different contexts if you're comparing the 2016 White Sox with the Cubs or Cardinals. That's the whole point of statistics, after all, to account for those differences.

 

As far as the error and strikeout numbers go, once again, context. From a SS, you can have your Royce Clayton or Jimmy Rollins who make all the routine plays or you can have a Valentin or Uribe that will probably make more total errors but have a lot more total chances due to range, and a lot more outs recorded due to their arm strength. If a SS fields the ball cleanly but can't get the ball to 1b in time, it's never going to be recorded as an error unless he throws it away.

 

Then you have to look at the average offensive production of players at that position. Ian Desmond is still mentally in a funk that dates back to passing up that $107 million contract, but Jon Daniels in Texas is one of the smartest GM's in the game. Surely they took more into consideration than errors/strikeouts when signing Desmond to play in the outfield when he'd never done so before.