SUGGESTION:Saladino to SS, Rollins to DH

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

Someone else on here suggested this a few days ago, but it makes a ton of sense if we bring up Carlos Sanchez to serve as bench IF and send down one of our extra OF (Avi or Sands) or Erik Johnson when we get our next off day.

 

Saladino is obviously the better defender to Rollins, and Saladino is certainly better at the plate than Avi. We would improve our offense and defense with this move. This needs to happen, let's make some noise.

[cabiness42]

Would need another IF on the roster to do this.

[Condor13]

Horrible idea.....we need a hitter/power hitter as the DH, not a 38 year old who might hit .225 with 5 HR on the year

[Bigsoxhurt35]

Horrible idea.....we need a hitter/power hitter as the DH, not a 38 year old who might hit .225 with 5 HR on the year

Except for the fact that our DH is ass.

[elrockinMT]

why is it that some people panic so quickly and gibe up on players? If Avi Garcia, et al, is batting a buck nothing at the all-star break then maybe we have to make a move. More than half our hitters are batting below the Mendoza Line 18 games into the season including our big two of Abreu and Frazier

[chitownsportsfan]

why is it that some people panic so quickly and gibe up on players? If Avi Garcia, et al, is batting a buck nothing at the all-star break then maybe we have to make a move. More than half our hitters are batting below the Mendoza Line 18 games into the season including our big two of Abreu and Frazier

 

well those guys have track records of mostly excellence. avi has a track record of mostly suck.

[Dick Allen]

If Avi is going to be a horrible DH, I don't see why Rollims would be better. 2 of the last 3 years, Avi put up the better OPS, the only time Rollins was better was when Avi came back from injury in 2014, and that difference was only .001. So Rollins DHing is really a bad idea.

[Buehrle>Wood]

Horrible idea.....we need a hitter/power hitter as the DH, not a 38 year old who might hit .225 with 5 HR on the year

It's certainly not ideal, but our infield has a s*** ton of power already to make up for our DH deficit.

[elrockinMT]

well those guys have track records of mostly excellence. avi has a track record of mostly suck.

 

 

Garcia is still learning. Guys may have proven track records from 2015 and back but that doesn't do anything for this year. All I am saying is don't give up on a player so quickly. The alternative to him isn't always better

[Black_Jack29]

The tricky thing about Rollins is that the Sox realistically can't DFA him. Especially after the LaRoche fiasco.

 

That said, I don't see the harm in Rollins spending time at DH right now. Avi looks worse than I've ever seen him, and I'm not convinced that Sands or any other in-house option is going to hit better than Rollins over the long-term. I also wouldn't mind seeing Saladino more at SS.

 

[Black_Jack29]

Garcia is still learning. Guys may have proven track records from 2015 and back but that doesn't do anything for this year. All I am saying is don't give up on a player so quickly. The alternative to him isn't always better

 

This is true, but so many of his ABs have been awful. He's swinging at all sorts of crazy stuff right now. While it appeared that he was progressing as a hitter this spring, he's going backwards again.

 

If I were Robin, I'd pencil him in at DH about three games per week and give him until June to figure things out. If he's still having bad ABs and struggling to get on base, I'd take him out of the lineup and have a talk with Hahn.

Edited April 24, 2016 by Black_Jack29

[Rowand44]

Garcia is still learning. Guys may have proven track records from 2015 and back but that doesn't do anything for this year. All I am saying is don't give up on a player so quickly. The alternative to him isn't always better

Nobody is giving up on Garcia early, in fact we've given him too much time. Unfortunately it's a product of the Laroche situation but Garcia is just bad.

 

There's just no good dh option so at this point just find a way to get Tyler's glove in the lineup. For now I think Tyler would be my ss, Jimmy dh against rhp and Avi against lefties.

Edited April 24, 2016 by Rowand44

[Chicago White Sox]

Garcia is still learning. Guys may have proven track records from 2015 and back but that doesn't do anything for this year. All I am saying is don't give up on a player so quickly. The alternative to him isn't always better

We've given him over 1,000 plate appearances and he's shown absolutely no signs of improvement in his approach at the plate. He is what he is, a DH who can't hit RHP. And as bad as our intental alternatives are, they are most definitely better than Avi against RHP. I don't really care if they him down to AAA or use him as the weak side of a DH platoon, he should no longer be given everyday at-bats. It's officially time to cut bait on the Avi experiment.

[Chicago White Sox]

This is true, but so many of his ABs have been awful. He's swinging at all sorts of crazy stuff right now. While it appeared that he was progressing as a hitter this spring, he's going backwards again.

 

If I were Robin, I'd pencil him in at DH about three games per week and give him until June to figure things out. If he's still having bad ABs and struggling to get on base, I'd take him out of the lineup and have a talk with Hahn.

Spring training numbers are meaningless. Let's not use them as an excuse to suffer through more Avi than we need to.

[Black_Jack29]

Spring training numbers are meaningless. Let's not use them as an excuse to suffer through more Avi than we need to.

 

Not really. They mean something, though it's a limited something.

 

The problem with Avi is not that he's always been horrible (he hasn't), but that he hasn't progressed at all. Nobody with as many PAs against ML pitching as he's had should be swinging at the junk that he's currently swinging at. He just can't seem to get the mental part of hitting right.

 

[Rowand44]

Not really. They mean something, though it's a limited something.

 

The problem with Avi is not that he's always been horrible (he hasn't), but that he hasn't progressed at all. Nobody with as many PAs against ML pitching as he's had should be swinging at the junk that he's currently swinging at. He just can't seem to get the mental part of hitting right.

I'd really like to hear your reasoning on why spring training at bats aren't meaningless...

[Black_Jack29]

I'd really like to hear your reasoning on why spring training at bats aren't meaningless...

 

While it's well-known that pitchers sometimes work on specific pitches in ST and are sometimes not bringing their full arsenal, it's not like they're throwing batting practice either. They ARE trying to get hitters out. So if a hitter is raking in ST, that doesn't necessarily translate to the regular season, but it does show that he's doing something right.

 

[Chicago White Sox]

Not really. They mean something, though it's a limited something.

 

The problem with Avi is not that he's always been horrible (he hasn't), but that he hasn't progressed at all. Nobody with as many PAs against ML pitching as he's had should be swinging at the junk that he's currently swinging at. He just can't seem to get the mental part of hitting right.

What do they mean? When looking at these stats, how do you account for breaking balls not breaking, veteran pitchers working on certain pitches, and the lower overall quality of starting pitching (due to fringe MLB & minor league guys).

 

Avi has not and will never be a disciplined hitter. He'll continue to go into every at-bat with a complete lack of approach. I had hopes for him because he was so raw when he entered the majors, but after 1,000 plate appearances with absolutely no signs of improvement, I've seen enough to come to the conclusion that he is a bad baseball player.

[Black_Jack29]

What do they mean? When looking at these stats, how do you account for breaking balls not breaking, veteran pitchers working on certain pitches, and the lower overall quality of starting pitching (due to fringe MLB & minor league guys).

 

Hanging breaking balls (and sliders) are not a phenomenon that's strictly relegated to March. The lower overall quality of players extends to hitters as well (both fringe pitchers AND position players attend ST camps).

 

Avi has not and will never be a disciplined hitter. He'll continue to go into every at-bat with a complete lack of approach. I had hopes for him because he was so raw when he entered the majors, but after 1,000 plate appearances with absolutely no signs of improvement, I've seen enough to come to the conclusion that he is a bad baseball player.

 

I've never argued otherwise, though I think it's fair for the Sox to give Avi another month or so to figure things out before they completely give up on him.

 

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

Would need another IF on the roster to do this.

 

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Someone else on here suggested this a few days ago, but it makes a ton of sense if we bring up Carlos Sanchez to serve as bench IF and send down one of our extra OF (Avi or Sands) or Erik Johnson when we get our next off day.

 

Saladino is obviously the better defender to Rollins, and Saladino is certainly better at the plate than Avi. We would improve our offense and defense with this move. This needs to happen, let's make some noise.

 

 

 

 

Horrible idea.....we need a hitter/power hitter as the DH, not a 38 year old who might hit .225 with 5 HR on the year

 

And who in our org is that hitter/power hitter that you want as the DH?

 

In nearly the same amount of PA

 

Avi - .135/.224/.269/.493, 18 K to 4 BB

JRoll - .235/.298/.373/.671, 6 K to 5 BB

 

And yet you would rather have Saladino replace Jimmy over Avi?

Edited April 24, 2016 by Chilihead90

[GreenSox]

Rollins has a sub .700 OPS with little power and a likelihood of improvement not in sight.

Rather do a revolving door with Charlotte and see who sticks.

Or, trade for old man Markakis who can get on base and wouldn't cost much. Put him in the 1 or 2 hole.

 

[Condor13]

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I never said someone from within our org. I've always wanted the sox to pull the trigger on the trade for CarGo. From within the org. I would like to see Davidson or Coats

 

 

 

 

 

 

And who in our org is that hitter/power hitter that you want as the DH?

 

In nearly the same amount of PA

 

Avi - .135/.224/.269/.493, 18 K to 4 BB

JRoll - .235/.298/.373/.671, 6 K to 5 BB

 

And yet you would rather have Saladino replace Jimmy over Avi?

 

[Black_Jack29]

Rollins has a sub .700 OPS with little power and a likelihood of improvement not in sight.

Rather do a revolving door with Charlotte and see who sticks.

Or, trade for old man Markakis who can get on base and wouldn't cost much. Put him in the 1 or 2 hole.

 

Markakis is owed almost $30M over the next 2 1/2 years.

 

[Heads22]

At this point, I put Sands at DH/1B until we pull the trigger on sending Avi down. He literally can't be worse than Avi right now.

[BigHurt3515]

Horrible idea.....we need a hitter/power hitter as the DH, not a 38 year old who might hit .225 with 5 HR on the year

 

It isn't horrible when it is our best move at this point. If we decide to get a power bat then it is a horrible idea. The question is would you rather see Saladino or Avi getting at bats? Rollins isn't replacing Avi, Saladino is and I think he has the same power capabilities as Avi does right now.

 

Who cares who is in the DH spot as long as it gives us our best line up?