Ventura will earn his extension the next 43 games

[bmags]

The actual numbers:

 

As a reliever in the majors; Scott Carroll 3.26 ERA, 1.335 whip, 1.91 k/BB

As a starter; 5.40 era, 1.566 WHIP, 1.33 k/bb

 

Realistically his stuff is good enough to go through the line up once, MAYBE twice. Definitely not 3 or 4 times.

 

Yeah, I was a big fan of him last year and wanted him up as a quick replacement as soon as we saw if danks sucked.

 

But the 12 ERA scared me in AAA this year, and then this. I don't know if something happened but he's clearly off now.

 

WHERE IS BRAD PENNY HAHN SAID HE WAS BEST SIGNING LAST YEAR.

[caulfield12]

Wtf when did he go on the dl? That makes more sense to me then. I will say then that the team put rv in a bad spot. Carroll never should have been the guy called up. Longman is not needed in todays mlb.

 

I was out hiking all day yesterday was he put on the dl prior to the game?

 

 

Well, with Rodon, Latos and Gonzalez...it seems there might be plenty of opportunities in the near future.

 

For a couple of innings, it was looking like Rodon wouldn't make it to the 5th or even the 4th.

 

 

The problem in this case is your closer was overextended the night before, Jones and Putnam both pitched (I think it was 22 pitches), Duke/Albers/Putnam were the best options in that particular situation (overall)....and clearly Jennings wasn't going out for multiple innings two consecutive nights.

 

In the last week, Albers has seen his stuff lose its earlier crispness.

Edited May 11, 2016 by caulfield12

[RockRaines]

Every move Robin made in the 7th and 8th cost us runs. This one is on him.

Not the players who were put in that situation, nope, on the manager, pitching coach and bench coach. Bringing in the last guy in the pen with a big lead after playing 26 games in 27 days is CRAZY. Everyone knows to burn up a super tired pen when in the lead.

 

The team is now 20-1 when leading after 7 innings.

[Texsox]

Yes, it is a brutal stretch coming up. What needed to happen was for the team to win a lot of games prior to this stretch. Mission accomplished. They could be hitting this stretch at .500. Or even a few games under.

[Dick Allen]

Well, with Rodon, Latos and Gonzalez...it seems there might be plenty of opportunities in the near future.

 

For a couple of innings, it was looking like Rodon wouldn't make it to the 5th or even the 4th.

 

 

The problem in this case is your closer was overextended the night before, Jones and Putnam both pitched (I think it was 22 pitches), Duke/Albers/Putnam were the best options in that particular situation (overall)....and clearly Jennings wasn't going out for multiple innings two consecutive nights.

 

In the last week, Albers has seen his stuff lose its earlier crispness.

Duke pitched, Albers pitched, so Robin did exactly as you wanted, yet you still complained. After the fact. No surprise.

[RockRaines]

Where the hell were petricka and putnam? Your mopup man is not the guy you EVER want starting the 8th up five runs. He should only be used to mop up early in games where the starter s*** the bed.

 

Awful managing.

Thats literally exactly what he's on the roster for, especially when the team has less rest than every other team in the majors.

[Texsox]

Thats literally exactly what he's on the roster for, especially when the team has less rest than every other team in the majors.

 

When else would be pitch? Perhaps the third inning when you are down 5.

[RockRaines]

When else would be pitch? Perhaps the third inning when you are down 5.

Depends who is starting the next day, who pitched the nights before and how much rest they've had the last week or so.

[Texsox]

Depends who is starting the next day, who pitched the nights before and how much rest they've had the last week or so.

 

Agreed. The only reason to not put him in the 8th with a 5 run lead is it pisses off the other team to think you are so confident in the win

[RockRaines]

Agreed. The only reason to not put him in the 8th with a 5 run lead is it pisses off the other team to think you are so confident in the win

Hes actually been a very effective reliever in the majors believe it or not.

[fathom]

Hes actually been a very effective reliever in the majors believe it or not.

 

I believe it was fine to put him in when they did, but left him in one batter too long.

[caulfield12]

Hes actually been a very effective reliever in the majors believe it or not.

 

But almost always in very low leverage situations.

 

Other than as a starter, he hasn't often felt that type of pressure/environment as a reliever. He's not accustomed to it. You could just feel that at-bat with Mazara slipping away after the first two reached.

 

That's why those DJ Carrasco-esque/Sean Lowe numbers are always a bit misleading. On paper, he and Jennings (another example) looked great last year, but they weren't often trusted in key situations to get the team an important victory (psychologically, for Rodon, in this case).

Edited May 11, 2016 by caulfield12

[RockRaines]

But almost always in very low leverage situations.

 

Other than as a starter, he hasn't often felt that type of pressure/environment as a reliever. He's not accustomed to it. You could just feel that at-bat with Mazara slipping away after the first two reached.

 

That's why those DJ Carrasco-esque/Sean Lowe numbers are always a bit misleading. On paper, he and Jennings (another example) looked great last year, but they weren't often trusted in key situations to get the team an important victory (psychologically, for Rodon, in this case).

Since when is a large lead a high leverage situation? His job was to not give up a billion runs and save the pen. Exactly what the last guy in the pen is supposed to do. WE've had less days off than every other team, and half the pen if not more was unavailable.

Edited May 11, 2016 by RockRaines

[Greg Hibbard]

A .617 winning percentage is a 100-win team. The White Sox currently have a .676 winning percentage. Yes, the sample size is small...but 20% of the season is pretty significant.

 

Sure, the next few weeks feature a brutal schedule, but the last few weeks have been no cakewalk. This team has been living on the road and playing very well in stadiums that usually wreak havoc on the Sox, and/or beating or hanging with teams that are contenders or historically give us fits. Series wins at Oakland, Minnesota, Toronto....a split in Baltimore....

 

I think this team could go on a 5 game losing streak and I wouldn't really panic. They are so much fundamentally better, generally, than any team we've seen recently and the rest of the division has looked very beatable.

 

I think it's easy to forget that losing 40% of your games, however you lose them, is par for the course for a great team in this sport, especially when sick teams like the Cubs and the Sox seemingly can't lose day-to-day. This is a strange, strange year so far.

 

It's one bad loss guys. They've earned a pass on one bad loss. Let's see how they respond.

Edited May 11, 2016 by Greg Hibbard

[Texsox]

Since when is a large lead a high leverage situation? His job was to not give up a billion runs and save the pen. Exactly what the last guy in the pen is supposed to do. WE've had less days off than every other team, and half the pen if not more was unavailable.

 

Exactly.

[caulfield12]

Since when is a large lead a high leverage situation? His job was to not give up a billion runs and save the pen. Exactly what the last guy in the pen is supposed to do. WE've had less days off than every other team, and half the pen if not more was unavailable.

 

 

1) On the road in Texas, where no lead is ever safe...don't think I'd say that about any other stadium, maybe Wrigley when the wind's blowing out.

 

2) The best hitters on the Rangers were due up.

 

3) You had the feeling all game long, especially after Desmond's homer and then the Sox only scoring one and leaving the bases loaded (again) that it was really going to play like a 3 run lead.

 

4) He pitched himself into high leverage and needed to be pulled after the first or definitely the second batter reached. Mazara and Odor have simply been crushing the ball recently. You can't have a guy who crushes RHP from the left-hand side of the plate teeing off on Carroll. I think I said in the middle of that at-bat I wish he'd just give up a homer and cut the lead down to 2 because those situations have a way of continuing into huge innings as opposed to clearing the bases with a homer and having to start over. It's like the line-up keeps growing more and more confident as you keep the line moving and the pitcher can never relax with all those runners on base every time he looks around.

 

 

If it was 6-7 runs, you don't worry. But 5 or under, well, anything can and will happen.

Edited May 11, 2016 by caulfield12

[bmags]

A .617 winning percentage is a 100-win team. The White Sox currently have a .676 winning percentage. Yes, the sample size is small...but 20% of the season is pretty significant.

 

Sure, the next few weeks feature a brutal schedule, but the last few weeks have been no cakewalk. This team has been living on the road and playing very well in stadiums that usually wreak havoc on the Sox, and/or beating or hanging with teams that are contenders or historically give us fits. Series wins at Oakland, Minnesota, Toronto....a split in Baltimore....

 

I think this team could go on a 5 game losing streak and I wouldn't really panic. They are so much fundamentally better, generally, than any team we've seen recently and the rest of the division has looked very beatable.

 

I think it's easy to forget that losing 40% of your games, however you lose them, is par for the course for a great team in this sport, especially when sick teams like the Cubs and the Sox seemingly can't lose day-to-day. This is a strange, strange year so far.

 

It's one bad loss guys. They've earned a pass on one bad loss. Let's see how they respond.

 

It's funny because ahead of a series, we all say "this will be a togh series, I'll be happy with 1-2". And then the two losses happen and immediately its OMG ITS OVER WEREDEAAAAD

[Kyyle23]

1) On the road in Texas, where no lead is ever safe...don't think I'd say that about any other stadium, maybe Wrigley when the wind's blowing out.

 

2) The best hitters on the Rangers were due up.

 

3) You had the feeling all game long, especially after Desmond's homer and then the Sox only scoring one and leaving the bases loaded (again) that it was really going to play like a 3 run lead.

 

4) He pitched himself into high leverage and needed to be pulled after the first or definitely the second batter reached. Mazara and Odor have simply been crushing the ball recently. You can't have a guy who crushes RHP from the left-hand side of the plate teeing off on Carroll. I think I said in the middle of that at-bat I wish he'd just give up a homer and cut the lead down to 2 because those situations have a way of continuing into huge innings as opposed to clearing the bases with a homer and having to start over. It's like the line-up keeps growing more and more confident as you keep the line moving and the pitcher can never relax with all those runners on base every time he looks around.

 

 

If it was 6-7 runs, you don't worry. But 5 or under, well, anything can and will happen.

 

lmao. just stop

[ChiSoxFanMike]

If the Sox can stay ~15 games over .500 until August 10th or so, I'll be very confident. Their schedule at the end of the season is fairly easy compared to who they're facing now.

[chw42]

It's funny because ahead of a series, we all say "this will be a togh series, I'll be happy with 1-2". And then the two losses happen and immediately its OMG ITS OVER WEREDEAAAAD

 

Had yesterday's game been closer and not a 5 run lead in the 8th inning, the loss wouldn't have stung as much.

 

It's fine to look at games in a retrospective way, but when you're up 5 in the 8th inning and about to win another series, having it slip away because the manager wasn't prepared is maddening.

 

Yeah I would have been okay with winning 1 of 3 in Arlington, but not when we've already won the first one and were 6 outs away from winning the second one.

[bmags]

lmao. just stop

 

It's hilarious. It's like someone in the upper east side arguing a millionaire isn't rich.

[Dick Allen]

1) On the road in Texas, where no lead is ever safe...don't think I'd say that about any other stadium, maybe Wrigley when the wind's blowing out.

 

2) The best hitters on the Rangers were due up.

 

3) You had the feeling all game long, especially after Desmond's homer and then the Sox only scoring one and leaving the bases loaded (again) that it was really going to play like a 3 run lead.

 

4) He pitched himself into high leverage and needed to be pulled after the first or definitely the second batter reached. Mazara and Odor have simply been crushing the ball recently. You can't have a guy who crushes RHP from the left-hand side of the plate teeing off on Carroll. I think I said in the middle of that at-bat I wish he'd just give up a homer and cut the lead down to 2 because those situations have a way of continuing into huge innings as opposed to clearing the bases with a homer and having to start over. It's like the line-up keeps growing more and more confident as you keep the line moving and the pitcher can never relax with all those runners on base every time he looks around.

 

 

If it was 6-7 runs, you don't worry. But 5 or under, well, anything can and will happen.

So you draw the line at the lead the Sox had. You do realize a 6 run lead would have still been a loss, and a 7 run lead would have meant at the very best extra innings. And if you didn't use Carroll earlier, guess who would have been basically the only guy available in the 10th of a tie game?

 

 

 

[Greg Hibbard]

There's an intangible feeling about games. Some games "feel" like nail-biters, where you know neither team will really score runs and that a 1 run lead is safe forever, even when the game features two great offensive teams.

 

Some games "feel" like anything can happen, and sometimes, they get out of hand in a lot of ways, early and then again late.

 

Last night was just a wild, wild, wild game, chock full of offensive explosions and weird hiccups.

 

There were so many unusual things that happened. I doubt we will see another game like that this season.

 

To treat certain leads as if they "should" be categorically safe assumes that a 5 run lead in one game is just like another.

 

I'm sorry, but a five run lead when the opposing team has 11 or 12 hits through 7 innings is NOTHING like a 5 run lead when your pitching staff is cruising.

 

I never felt like that was over last night and was not surprised in the least when Texas scored seven. It was just that type of game.

[Chisoxfn]

Just awful not using a guy on the DL. He needs to be fired immediately.

 

To think this poster thinks ROBIN is clueless.

Bottom line...not a player on a big league roster should not be expected to hand a 5 run lead in the 8th (especially when you add in the fact that the pen was taxed). On a normal day, okay Carrol probably doesn't get the job, but there were so many things outside of the one matter that I would argue Robin was off on (he left Carrol in for one batter too many). Grand scheme, that wasn't why we lost the game.

 

Defense didn't make plays that it could have and our pen (including Albers) let us down big time.

[RockRaines]

So you draw the line at the lead the Sox had. You do realize a 6 run lead would have still been a loss, and a 7 run lead would have meant at the very best extra innings. And if you didn't use Carroll earlier, guess who would have been basically the only guy available in the 10th of a tie game?

Math is hard though