Ventura will earn his extension the next 43 games

[Texsox]

Bottom line...not a player on a big league roster should not be expected to be able to deal that (especially when you add in the fact that the pen was taxed). On a normal day, okay Carrol probably doesn't get the job, but there were so many things outside of the one matter that I would argue Robin was off on (he left Carrol in for one batter too many). Grand scheme, that wasn't why we lost the game.

 

Defense didn't make plays that it could have and our pen (including Albers) let us down big time.

[chitownsportsfan]

Obviously it was a confluence of factors that led to blowing the lead but trying to "steal" an inning with Carroll was the 1st action that set the whole chain of events in order. I didn't know that Petricka was on the DL prior to the game but that said I still feel that RV was managing like he was playing the Twins or even the Royals instead of a really quick hitting offense like Texas. Carroll should have been on the shortest of f***ing leashes and in retrospect Albers was rushed into the game.

 

RV just seems to be on "cruise control" at times. Not sure if that's because he puts so much trust (and authority) into cooper or what but he should have been much quicker to act last night imo.

 

That said, Carroll and Sands have no place on a MLB roster. Carroll had zero command last night and was just hanging meatball after meatball over the zone when he was getting it over.

[RockRaines]

Obviously it was a confluence of factors that led to blowing the lead but trying to "steal" an inning with Carroll was the 1st action that set the whole chain of events in order. I didn't know that Petricka was on the DL prior to the game but that said I still feel that RV was managing like he was playing the Twins or even the Royals instead of a really quick hitting offense like Texas. Carroll should have been on the shortest of f***ing leashes and in retrospect Albers was rushed into the game.

 

RV just seems to be on "cruise control" at times. Not sure if that's because he puts so much trust (and authority) into cooper or what but he should have been much quicker to act last night imo.

 

That said, Carroll and Sands have no place on a MLB roster. Carroll had zero command last night and was just hanging meatball after meatball over the zone when he was getting it over.

So, who should have pitched then?

[Kyyle23]

Obviously it was a confluence of factors that led to blowing the lead but trying to "steal" an inning with Carroll was the 1st action that set the whole chain of events in order. I didn't know that Petricka was on the DL prior to the game but that said I still feel that RV was managing like he was playing the Twins or even the Royals instead of a really quick hitting offense like Texas. Carroll should have been on the shortest of f***ing leashes and in retrospect Albers was rushed into the game.

 

RV just seems to be on "cruise control" at times. Not sure if that's because he puts so much trust (and authority) into cooper or what but he should have been much quicker to act last night imo.

 

That said, Carroll and Sands have no place on a MLB roster. Carroll had zero command last night and was just hanging meatball after meatball over the zone when he was getting it over.

 

come on man, basically the entire pen besides Carroll pitched the night before. Albers came in and was out of gas, Robertson and Nate were basically not available. Did you want Jennings to come in? We are looking at Carroll as the only guy who didnt pitch the night before, everyone else was pretty much on fumes

[Dick Allen]

So, who should have pitched then?

That is the question and the only person who answered was Caulfield who said Duke/Albers/Putnam. Duke and Albers pitched the 8th. I imagine Putnam would have got the 9th, so Robin did what he wanted and he still moaned.

[southsider2k5]

1) On the road in Texas, where no lead is ever safe...don't think I'd say that about any other stadium, maybe Wrigley when the wind's blowing out.

 

2) The best hitters on the Rangers were due up.

 

3) You had the feeling all game long, especially after Desmond's homer and then the Sox only scoring one and leaving the bases loaded (again) that it was really going to play like a 3 run lead.

 

4) He pitched himself into high leverage and needed to be pulled after the first or definitely the second batter reached. Mazara and Odor have simply been crushing the ball recently. You can't have a guy who crushes RHP from the left-hand side of the plate teeing off on Carroll. I think I said in the middle of that at-bat I wish he'd just give up a homer and cut the lead down to 2 because those situations have a way of continuing into huge innings as opposed to clearing the bases with a homer and having to start over. It's like the line-up keeps growing more and more confident as you keep the line moving and the pitcher can never relax with all those runners on base every time he looks around.

 

 

If it was 6-7 runs, you don't worry. But 5 or under, well, anything can and will happen.

So a the difference between 5 and 6 runs is the difference between using Carroll or someone else? How completely arbitrary.

 

[Texsox]

come on man, basically the entire pen besides Carroll pitched the night before. Albers came in and was out of gas, Robertson and Nate were basically not available. Did you want Jennings to come in? We are looking at Carroll as the only guy who didnt pitch the night before, everyone else was pretty much on fumes

 

Baseball is a long grind and with only 25 roster spots everyone is going to get called on. RV didn't really have a choice. He did the most obvious move. He has to be able to use the 25th man in a five run game.

[caulfield12]

Some weird decisions today that were second or first-guessed by Darrin Jackson and Farmer.

 

Pitching to Ian Desmond instead of walking him for the lefty/lefty match-up with the next hitter, Mazara.

Letting Jennings pitch against Adrian Beltre, although that one wasn't as bad as pitching to a white-hot Desmond with a base open.

 

Not noticing Jose Abreu was hurting and pulling him earlier in the game...he did manage to avoid the DP in the 7th by putting him in motion but you could tell something was wrong with him.

 

Running Jose Abreu in the 9th when Carlos Sanchez hasn't been playing much and is facing a 95-97 fastball pitcher who is hard to make consistent contact with.

Edited May 11, 2016 by caulfield12

[soxforlife05]

Robin just has a very poor feel for in game situations which is surprising considering how good he was as a player.

 

Carroll in a 1 run game?

Not bunting our weakest hitter in a 1 run game with a runner on first no out? Could have also pinch ran for Abreu there.

[caulfield12]

So a the difference between 5 and 6 runs is the difference between using Carroll or someone else? How completely arbitrary.

 

Against the Rangers, 5 doesn't feel out of the game to me. I bet any White Sox fan who has followed them or Harrelson for the past 30 years when they've been playing in Arlington would say the exact same thing and felt uncomfortable right away when Carroll allowed the first two runners to reach base.

 

As I said, at Texas or Wrigley with the wind blowing out during the summer are two of the places I would make that same statement.

 

So not arbitrary at all. And you have to look at the context, he was going right into the heart of the Rangers' line-up and their hottest hitters in Odor, Mazara and Beltre, compared to the bottom 3.

Edited May 11, 2016 by caulfield12

[caulfield12]

Robin just has a very poor feel for in game situations which is surprising considering how good he was as a player.

 

Carroll in a 1 run game?

Not bunting our weakest hitter in a 1 run game with a runner on first no out? Could have also pinch ran for Abreu there.

 

 

I still don't understand how nobody on the coaching staff or bench noticed Abreu was hurting in the 7th...and then they still had him running on both occasions.

 

And yeah, you have to get that tie run into scoring position any way possible. Carlos Sanchez is actually a pretty decent fastball hitter, but his timing is WAY off from not playing consistently in recent days. Typically, you play for the big inning or the lead (on the road), but you really have to adjust your strategy with Todd Frazier out of the game AND the fact that the Rangers were going to have to save the game with someone other than Sean Tolleson, their normal closer. Just getting the game extended was more of a priority than usual.

Edited May 11, 2016 by caulfield12

[soxforlife05]

I still don't understand how nobody on the coaching staff or bench noticed Abreu was hurting in the 7th...and then they still had him running on both occasions.

 

And yeah, you have to get that tie run into scoring position any way possible. Carlos Sanchez is actually a pretty decent fastball hitter, but his timing is WAY off from not playing consistently in recent days. Typically, you play for the big inning or the lead (on the road), but you really have to adjust your strategy with Todd Frazier out of the game AND the fact that the Rangers were going to have to save the game with someone other than Sean Tolleson, their normal closer. Just getting the game extended was more of a priority than usual.

 

The next guy up for them was Ramos, the guy who loaded the bases then gave up the grand slam to Frazier ugh

[caulfield12]

Yeah, they were almost in the same situation with their pen for today as we were in yesterday.

 

Didn't put much pressure on a relatively untested Dyson there by running into the automatic DP when Sanchez struck out...Jackson had a really good shot at Diekman with a 3-1 count and just couldn't do anything with two well-place up and away fastballs that he could have served into RCF.

 

Seems like he was going too much for a homer with the 3-1 count instead of focusing more on just making solid contact.

 

Oh, well.

[SCCWS]

As I said, at Texas or Wrigley with the wind blowing out during the summer are two of the places I would make that same statement.

 

So not arbitrary at all. And you have to look at the context, he was going right into the heart of the Rangers' line-up and their hottest hitters in Odor, Mazara and Beltre, compared to the bottom 3.

 

Yes arbitrary. It is May and summer does not start until June 20th. So we all agree that after June 20th in Wrgley and Texas it is correct but not in May. Except in Tropicana Field where they don't turn the AC to high until June 20th and that causes the ball to carry more to right and right center.

Edited May 11, 2016 by SCCWS

[elrockinMT]

Every pitcher who gives up a run, and every hitter who isn't on base at least 2 or 3 times every game.

 

 

Let me add this to the "mental midget question:" The craziness exhibited by baseball illiterates who scream and howl when the team doesn't win 163 games; hitters don't go 5 for 5 with 6 homers; pitchers who don't throw a complete perfect game no hitter with 28 strikeouts. Need I continue with more?

[GreenSox]

I suggest he start earning it.

[greg775]

I suggest he start earning it.

He seemed like a different guy til the last two games. Stuff happens. Today would have been a great day for a rainout. You just knew they'd lose after Tuesday night's debacle.

[caulfield12]

Yes arbitrary. It is May and summer does not start until June 20th. So we all agree that after June 20th in Wrgley and Texas it is correct but not in May. Except in Tropicana Field where they don't turn the AC to high until June 20th and that causes the ball to carry more to right and right center.

 

 

Yeah, this comment adds a lot.

 

I WILL SPELL IT OUT SPECIFICALLY...ANY GAME IN TEXAS PAUSE PAUSE PAUSE BREAK BREAK BREAK and ANY GAME DURING THE SUMMERTIME AT WRIGLEY WHEN THE WIND IS BLOWING OUT.

 

If you're a Chicagoan and don't know when the weather is conducive to 13-11 games in the summertime and you're strictly going by the calendar, I'm not sure how I can help you to understand.

 

Apparently everyone else has a heckuva lot more faith in Carroll than I do.

 

 

Ventura flat out made decisions that didn't put his team in the best position to win these last two games. Players WIN games...Frazier did it on Monday. But if you consistently make better decisions as a manager and put your players in the right place at the right time, then you will most likely have better results.

Edited May 11, 2016 by caulfield12

[greg775]

Yeah, this comment adds a lot.

 

I WILL SPELL IT OUT SPECIFICALLY...ANY GAME IN TEXAS PAUSE PAUSE PAUSE BREAK BREAK BREAK and ANY GAME DURING THE SUMMERTIME AT WRIGLEY WHEN THE WIND IS BLOWING OUT.

 

If you're a Chicagoan and don't know when the weather is conducive to 13-11 games in the summertime and you're strictly going by the calendar, I'm not sure how I can help you to understand.

 

Apparently everyone else has a heckuva lot more faith in Carroll than I do.

 

 

Ventura flat out made decisions that didn't put his team in the best position to win these last two games. Players WIN games...Frazier did it on Monday. But if you consistently make better decisions as a manager and put your players in the right place at the right time, then you will most likely have better results.

I was definitely worried when I saw Carroll in the game. I thought, "This team can't blow a 5 run lead like they would in the past with Carroll." Carroll completely blows and should never ever pitch for the Sox again. Yes it was a huge mistake to use him last night.

[RockRaines]

But if you consistently make better decisions as a manager and put your players in the right place at the right time, then you will most likely have better results.

And your team will be in first place...

[RockRaines]

Honest question: What percentage of the time should a manager's bullpen moves completely work out?

[RockRaines]

That rate solely depends on the quality of said bullpen.

But ideally, whats acceptable? 99 percent? 80 percent?

[SCCWS]

Running Jose Abreu in the 9th when Carlos Sanchez hasn't been playing much and is facing a 95-97 fastball pitcher who is hard to make consistent contact with.

 

Not really. Opponents were hitting .353 against him this season in daytime appearances. I guess Robin played the % and lost.

[harkness99]

Not really. Opponents were hitting .353 against him this season in daytime appearances. I guess Robin played the % and lost.

 

The problem was that it was sanchez batting... not the pitcher.

[southsider2k5]

Against the Rangers, 5 doesn't feel out of the game to me. I bet any White Sox fan who has followed them or Harrelson for the past 30 years when they've been playing in Arlington would say the exact same thing and felt uncomfortable right away when Carroll allowed the first two runners to reach base.

 

As I said, at Texas or Wrigley with the wind blowing out during the summer are two of the places I would make that same statement.

 

So not arbitrary at all. And you have to look at the context, he was going right into the heart of the Rangers' line-up and their hottest hitters in Odor, Mazara and Beltre, compared to the bottom 3.

 

The distinction you are trying to draw between 5 and 6 is completely arbitrary, as is all of the rest of the post.