CubKilla Posted September 19, 2003 Share Posted September 19, 2003 Time to change the banner. I think a white flag will do. Thanks for nothing White Sox Organization :fyou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 19, 2003 Share Posted September 19, 2003 I think Soxtalk.com Eye on the Future would now be more suitable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted September 19, 2003 Share Posted September 19, 2003 I think Soxtalk.com Eye on the Future would now be more suitable. Anyway we can get a new banner with Reed, Honel and co. on it with "Eye Towards The Future" on it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted September 19, 2003 Share Posted September 19, 2003 I think Soxtalk.com Eye on the Future would now be more suitable. how far in the future are you talkin.. surely not next year.. anyone who would have been ready is gone via trade and anyone whos left wont be ready for a few more years.........future is lookin pretty grim if your talkin 2004 future....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez Ghost (old) Posted September 19, 2003 Share Posted September 19, 2003 Eye on the moving van. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted September 19, 2003 Share Posted September 19, 2003 Eye on the moving van. I got that covered... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted September 19, 2003 Share Posted September 19, 2003 This team has a-lot of potential to be traded away. As slow and unathletic as we are there are teams that can use the Konerko's of the world, see L.A. Dodgers. We could draft a ton of players if we offer arbitration and get picks. We have three major league pitchers. If by some miracle of God Colon is brought back, I think we'll be fine. Outside of the four starters, I would clean house. I would bring back Foulke and sign Luis Castillo and go from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted September 19, 2003 Share Posted September 19, 2003 This team has a-lot of potential to be traded away. As slow and unathletic as we are there are teams that can use the Konerko's of the world, see L.A. Dodgers. We could draft a ton of players if we offer arbitration and get picks. We have three major league pitchers. If by some miracle of God Colon is brought back, I think we'll be fine. Outside of the four starters, I would clean house. I would bring back Foulke and sign Luis Castillo and go from there. Seriously, youre right. Backing up the truck and dumping the s*** is what is needed with this team. Too many talented, yet lazy and/or stupid players on this roster,and the results show that. LEts not forget people, this team had virtually ZERO injuries and still couldnt get the job done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkit Posted September 19, 2003 Share Posted September 19, 2003 Cubkilla: Why would you say "Thanks for nothing?" Going into a key series with their division rivals, the Sox were in the race, 1/2 game back of the Twins...with 12 games to go on the year. Isn't that a VAST improvement over last year? Would you rather see the Sox just beaten to a pulp by the All-Star break? Didn't the Sox ADD players mid-season and at the deadline? Would you rather they had simply given up in mid-July and sold off players? I understand it hurts to lose, especially when the last five games against the twins were brutal to watch. But why damn the entire organization? They put the players in the place they needed to be--they really controlled their own destiny. And even if you just meant: "Damn the Sox players!", again I'd ask wasn't this better than being out of the race in mid-July? Sure, losing when we were so close hurts, perhaps worse than when a team loses in mid-July. But that's a part of being a team contending. Not all contenders end up winning the World Series. Me? I hated the way the boys played these past ten games, no doubt. But at least they were playing for something for a change. Forkit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted September 19, 2003 Author Share Posted September 19, 2003 Cubkilla: Why would you say "Thanks for nothing?" Going into a key series with their division rivals, the Sox were in the race, 1/2 game back of the Twins...with 12 games to go on the year. Isn't that a VAST improvement over last year? Would you rather see the Sox just beaten to a pulp by the All-Star break? Didn't the Sox ADD players mid-season and at the deadline? Would you rather they had simply given up in mid-July and sold off players? I understand it hurts to lose, especially when the last five games against the twins were brutal to watch. But why damn the entire organization? They put the players in the place they needed to be--they really controlled their own destiny. And even if you just meant: "Damn the Sox players!", again I'd ask wasn't this better than being out of the race in mid-July? Sure, losing when we were so close hurts, perhaps worse than when a team loses in mid-July. But that's a part of being a team contending. Not all contenders end up winning the World Series. Me? I hated the way the boys played these past ten games, no doubt. But at least they were playing for something for a change. Forkit! You're right. I suppose damning the Organization is a little harsh. But I do not believe it is as harsh as you believe it to be..... when you think about it. I'm 28 years old. In my lifetime, I have seen the White Sox make the playoffs 3 times. 3 times. In my lifetime, I have seen the White Sox win a total of 3 playoff games. In my lifetime, I have seen the White Sox win a total of 1..... ONE..... playoff game. I am a blue-collar worker. My baseball knowledge and playing experience is no better, no worse than most on this messageboard. I played organized ball in my adolescent and teen years. After that, anything I know about baseball is learned by either reading baseball literature or passed on down to me from posters like yourself..... baseball fans. Given the track record of the White Sox Organization in my lifetime posted above..... and taking into account that, given my limited baseball knowledge and experience, if I knew what happened would happen, why..... if the White Sox were "committed to winning it all this year"..... could no one in the White Sox Organization see this happening? Why didn't we trade for a 5th starter if the Organization was committed to winning? Why did we put our faith in proven bust Danny Wrong and unproven minor leaguers Cotts and Stewart? Why do we allow the Organization to be GM'ed by a guy that allows personal feelings to get in the way of what's best for the team? Why do we allow the Organization to be managed by a lifeless puppet..... strings pulled by our wonderful GM until, reportedly, very recent. Why do we allow the Organization to be managed by a manager that has proven that he is no better than .500 with exception being one half of baseball in 2000? Of course, the majority of blame lies with the Chairman of the Chicago White Sox..... the same guy that, when Sox fans started showing up at the Cell this season after many saw signs of "hope", raised parking prices $2 to $15. The same Chairman that forced Illinois Taxpayers to pay for his folley at 35th and Shields but constantly refuses to make the deals to put the White Sox over the top. Sure, JR may donate hundreds..... thousands..... perhaps millions to Chicago area charities over the years. Sure, JR may be one of the most nice and personable guys one will ever meet once a conversation between oneself and the Chairman is established. But you can bet your bottom dollar that JR gets all of those charitable donations back come April. And I'm not even going to scratch the surface on the attitudes of some of the White Sox players provided for us by JR himself. The player quoted in the Backman thread said more in two or three sentences than I possibly could about some White Sox players attitude's. I'm sure I've bored anyone to tears that has read this post up until this point but these are just some of the reason why I damn the entire Organization for being first..... perhaps second when all is said and done..... place loser (AGAIN) in the weak, very winnable, AL Central. Second best will never be acceptable to me. :fyou for nothing..... White Sox Organization Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkit Posted September 19, 2003 Share Posted September 19, 2003 Well, you have two topics going here. I don't think reactions to this past series should be lumped in with people's long-term feelings for Sox ownership. And ownership did make some quality moves during the season, adding when many thought they would turn sellers... As for Jerry the owner...I am a business owner myself. I know ALL fans think owners should spend whatever the fans think is needed, every year. But there are many examples of owners that spent a TON [For example, see Texas...] and got nothing for their spending. To be successful, a business owner has to have a plan and the ability to carry it out. And in the long run, expenses cannot exceed revenues. It's easy to point to the Yankees and say they can do it, why don't we? Oakland? We'll see if they win it all soon. I know they will again be playing the "We can't keep this player next year" game, because their owner is also fiscally responsible. Their success must have something to do with their plan and their team management. Let's see how Boston does now that they have "deep pockets." I know their owner...let's see how he does in developing a long-term plan and executing it. Forkit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 19, 2003 Share Posted September 19, 2003 Most fans don't realize how lucky they are that JR owns the White Sox. Contrary to popular opinion, he is not in it to make a lot of money, he made his money elsewhere, but he is also not in it to lose all the money he and his investors ever made. If the ownership in this town were reversed and JR owned the Cubs with their revenue, they would be a perrenial contender. If the Tribune Company owned the White Sox, a company who is in it for the money, we'd be looking at a team that annually resembled this year's Tigers, with the lack of interest on the South Side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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