Dick Allen Posted September 19, 2003 Share Posted September 19, 2003 Bruce Levineline is reporting the White Sox are discussing a 2 year extension with Valentin. Please let this not be true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez Ghost (old) Posted September 19, 2003 Share Posted September 19, 2003 Oh God no. If true, welcome to the land of mediocrity, everybody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted September 19, 2003 Share Posted September 19, 2003 It could be they are trying to save money. I am not sure how his plate apperances are, but $5 million is a joke for him. Maybe they are trying to sign hom for less than that. I think I am ready for him to move on, I hope he feels the same way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkit Posted September 19, 2003 Share Posted September 19, 2003 Let's hope for the baseball version of basketball's "sign and trade" deal, if that is indeed true... Forkit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 19, 2003 Share Posted September 19, 2003 Two years at a total of $5 mil I could handle. Other than that, no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted September 19, 2003 Share Posted September 19, 2003 The only possible good news in this scenario is that they're going to "go fo it" again next year, i.e. not totally gut the team. I don't agree with bringing Jose back, but if they do, the message is clear ... they still believe in this team and its core players. Jose adds a lot to the table, but he just hasn't gotten it done this year with the bat, especially in the clutch. This team does not need a swing-for-the-fences shortstop, it needs a high OBP guy who brings the same level of leadership. Granted, Valentin's defence improved markedly this year, but is it too much to ask to have a SS with above average defence and above average offence?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkit Posted September 19, 2003 Share Posted September 19, 2003 It's probably about $10 mill too much per year? Forkit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted September 19, 2003 Share Posted September 19, 2003 Bruce Levineline is reporting the White Sox are discussing a 2 year extension with Valentin. Please let this not be true. I guess that deep-sixes any talk of a, to quote Hawk..... "mind-blowing trade", that would involve Tejada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkit Posted September 19, 2003 Share Posted September 19, 2003 I don't think Hawk mentioned which players would have been involved in the "mind blowing trade." Maybe he meant an Arod trade with a restructured contract? Perhaps we'll never know. Forkit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted September 19, 2003 Share Posted September 19, 2003 I don't think Hawk mentioned which players would have been involved in the "mind blowing trade." Maybe he meant an Arod trade with a restructured contract? Perhaps we'll never know. Forkit! He didn't. It was just board speculation since the A's said they will not resign Tejada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox-r-us Posted September 19, 2003 Share Posted September 19, 2003 I firmly believe they will go for it next year with the weak division and the fact that the twinkies will be weaker not able to sign their folks I do not mind Valentin at 5-6 mill for 2 years.....think about it, who else can we get from the market without going too old or too young with a prospect (which we do not have at SS) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkit Posted September 19, 2003 Share Posted September 19, 2003 IF they choose to go for it again with most of this group, they better re-sign Colon and add another quality starter. I'd only let Jose bat lefty...and I'd give split time to Graffy. I'd still try to trade Paulie and then give more playing time at first to Frank [if he's back as well]. I'd have Reed at spring training, hoping we got lucky with a young guy ready for the majors in center...I personally do not think Aaron Rowand is enough in center. Robbie has to be re-signed, as does Sully. Forkit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox61382 Posted September 19, 2003 Share Posted September 19, 2003 I am not the biggest fan of Valentin, but at this point what other options do the Sox have. There are no decent SS prospects that will be ready for the major next year in the Sox system, and there aren't a lot of quality SS on the FA market this offseason. Tejada and the Japanese SS are pipedreams. The Sox are probably going to cut payroll this offseason and probably won't be big players on the FA market. Besides Tejada is overrated, and I still have questions about Japanese hitters adjusting to major league pitching. Compare Valentin's and Tejada's numbers and you will see that there isn't a huge difference, especially not a 7-10+M/year difference, which is probably how much more the Sox would have to pay for Tejada instead of Valentin. Tejada's greatest asset is his power numbers at SS, which Valentin already supplies. Besides that Tejada does nothing else exceptional well, so I really think he is overrated and that some team is going to overpay for him. Hopefully Valentin will sign a 2 year extension for less then his 5M option, something in the ballpark of 2 years for 3-4M/year is a reasonable price for a solid SS. Remember that you can't have an AS at every position unless you are the Yankees, and that quality SS are hard to come by. Hopefully within 2 years a better option will appear either from within the Sox system or on the FA market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 19, 2003 Author Share Posted September 19, 2003 I am not the biggest fan of Valentin, but at this point what other options do the Sox have. There are no decent SS prospects that will be ready for the major next year in the Sox system, and there aren't a lot of quality SS on the FA market this offseason. Tejada and the Japanese SS are pipedreams. The Sox are probably going to cut payroll this offseason and probably won't be big players on the FA market. Besides Tejada is overrated, and I still have questions about Japanese hitters adjusting to major league pitching. Compare Valentin's and Tejada's numbers and you will see that there isn't a huge difference, especially not a 7-10+M/year difference, which is probably how much more the Sox would have to pay for Tejada instead of Valentin. Tejada's greatest asset is his power numbers at SS, which Valentin already supplies. Besides that Tejada does nothing else exceptional well, so I really think he is overrated and that some team is going to overpay for him. Hopefully Valentin will sign a 2 year extension for less then his 5M option, something in the ballpark of 2 years for 3-4M/year is a reasonable price for a solid SS. Remember that you can't have an AS at every position unless you are the Yankees, and that quality SS are hard to come by. Hopefully within 2 years a better option will appear either from within the Sox system or on the FA market. There has been a lot of speculation that Eckstein and Guzman both may be non tendered. Jimmy Rollins may be available. None of these guys ar perfect, but I would just hate to get locked in with this automatic out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted September 19, 2003 Share Posted September 19, 2003 i'd rather see the sox look another direction at SS valentine is at an age where he will continue to decline, not improve. his defense was solid this year, but there is always a chance he could revert to the play of the last few years, He's an automatic out hitting right handed. and although his power is nice, we have enough power. We need guys with better on-base percentages who can turn the lineup over. That's not Jose. Time for a change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniBob72 Posted September 19, 2003 Share Posted September 19, 2003 I'm not sure if this is the appropriate thread, but here goes. Valentin is usually called a team leader and this reason is why he should be brought back. I call bulls*** on that. This team has been a disappointment and a leader of a disappointing team isn't worth having around. I think if the team wants a leader, a new and real leader, they should bring back Everett. He has shown true fire and seems to know how to win, even if he couldn't whip these sad sacks into winners in the 2 months he was given. I think we could find any decent SS to hit .225 for the year. Everett should be brought back because this team needs a winning leader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted September 19, 2003 Share Posted September 19, 2003 I'm not sure if this is the appropriate thread, but here goes. Valentin is usually called a team leader and this reason is why he should be brought back. I call bulls*** on that. This team has been a disappointment and a leader of a disappointing team isn't worth having around. I think if the team wants a leader, a new and real leader, they should bring back Everett. He has shown true fire and seems to know how to win, even if he couldn't whip these sad sacks into winners in the 2 months he was given. I think we could find any decent SS to hit .225 for the year. Everett should be brought back because this team needs a winning leader. I agree 100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez Ghost (old) Posted September 19, 2003 Share Posted September 19, 2003 There is such a thing as bad leadership, and following Jose's leadership hasn't gotten us very far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted September 19, 2003 Share Posted September 19, 2003 I honestly can't believe that the Sox brass are even considering bringing JosE6 back to play short, no less for 2 YEARS!!! C'mon, there are plenty of other options out there for us, JR, PLEASE don't lock us into 2 more years of a .230 SS!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 19, 2003 Share Posted September 19, 2003 If this is true, it is not all bad. I don't think he would need to be used as the starting SS because, at his age, his skills have obviously gotten worse. So what I'm thinking they could do is use him as a super utility player. We know he can play SS, and if you can play SS, you can play EVERY infield position there is, aside from catcher(which he could be used as in an emergency). He also played a little CF in 2001, and while it wasn't pretty, he could also play there. What I'm thinking he could do is be a guy that gets 3-4 starts a week and give a guy a day off. It would give us a decent bat off the bench, a guy with great baseball instincts, and it still gives us the option to use him as our starter at SS if we can't bring anyone in. He can be used at, for example, 3rd base if Crede gets into a huge slump, or something to that extent. Probably won't happen if he is resigned, but it is a possibility....especially with a better manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molto Posted September 19, 2003 Share Posted September 19, 2003 IF the Sox don't have an immediate replacement for Valentin AND they can sign him for less than $3 mil a year, I'd consider bringing him back simply because he has improved his defense. offensively he's been terrible, but at $2 million, I think he isn't a bad option to have. personally, I'd prefer him gone and have wanted him gone for a couple years now, but if he's their lone option, sign him cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 19, 2003 Share Posted September 19, 2003 I agree 100%. Agreed. I can honestly say I've been b****ing about Jose since the start of 2001. I gave him 2000 since he did produce pretty damn well offensively. Since then he's gotten off soley on 2000. Folks, its 3 years from then and Jose still strikes out too much and now its tough for him to hit .230. I could give a rats ass how many homers the guy hits, OBP is what matters when your a playe thats supposed to get off by doing the little things well. I will give him credit for one thing...his defense improved. On a sidenote, I'm seeing more and more people feel this way about Jose...Brando if your lurking do you want him back? Or are you ready for a change...Matsui/Guzman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 19, 2003 Share Posted September 19, 2003 IF the Sox don't have an immediate replacement for Valentin AND they can sign him for less than $3 mil a year, I'd consider bringing him back simply because he has improved his defense. offensively he's been terrible, but at $2 million, I think he isn't a bad option to have. personally, I'd prefer him gone and have wanted him gone for a couple years now, but if he's their lone option, sign him cheap. I'd prefer another choice. Hell, none of the above. Jose is useless. Guzman is rumored to be out there and if he is, he'd be a definate upgrade. Very good defensive player, strong arm, amazing speed and he's got the chance to be a pretty darn good offensive player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 20, 2003 Share Posted September 20, 2003 I wouldn't say Jose is worthless. I agree if we can get somebody good, fine, let's do it. If not, Jose is not totally worthless. Now D'Angelo, Rios and Harris ... they were (are) worthless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted September 20, 2003 Share Posted September 20, 2003 I wouldn't say Jose is worthless. I agree if we can get somebody good, fine, let's do it. If not, Jose is not totally worthless. Now D'Angelo, Rios and Harris ... they were (are) worthless. Fine Jose isn't worthless, but hes pretty damn close. Yeah, he has the occasional home run but if you hit .226 with an OBP of .301 you're worthless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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