ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 Heyman not hinting at anything of value going to Pads... Jon Heyman @JonHeyman 38s39 seconds ago Shields will lengthen chisox rotation, padres get $ relief once finalized. @BNightengale @Ken_Rosenthal @sdutdennislin on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan49 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 4, 2016 -> 01:46 PM) I'm not going to feel good about this unless the Sox give up next to nothing. Shields is showing a lot of signs that he's cooked. If his last start wasn't as bad as it was, would you be saying that? He had a bad start. It happens. Every other game this season that he's pitched, he's always less than 4 runs with the exception of two (four each game). Is he the same pitcher he was 3 years ago? Obviously not. No one gets younger, but "cooked" is harsh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 QUOTE (soxfan49 @ Jun 4, 2016 -> 01:54 PM) If his last start wasn't as bad as it was, would you be saying that? He had a bad start. It happens. Every other game this season that he's pitched, he's always less than 4 runs with the exception of two (four each game). Is he the same pitcher he was 3 years ago? Obviously not. No one gets younger, but "cooked" is harsh. His ERA was actually 3.06 before his last start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Jun 4, 2016 -> 01:55 PM) His ERA was actually 3.06 before his last start. But his FIP was drastically worse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 whitesoxdave @barstoolWSD 4m4 minutes ago Chicago, IL Was told from a #source that Jon Jay may also be included in the Shields ➡️ ChiSox deal to help offset some cost #WhiteSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 Well Jon Jay would certainly be an upgrade over Shuck and Avi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 I hope Avisail is a Padre, quite frankly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan49 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Jun 4, 2016 -> 01:55 PM) His ERA was actually 3.06 before his last start. Which is why I said before his last start, no one would have said he's cooked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Jun 4, 2016 -> 02:05 PM) Well Jon Jay would certainly be an upgrade over Shuck and Avi. Platoon him with Jackson moving Jackson to backup OF most of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 4, 2016 -> 02:07 PM) I hope Avisail is a Padre, quite frankly. I could see him going the other way. A young project with control. Seems like the kind of guy that seems right for a deal like this. Edited June 4, 2016 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 4, 2016 -> 02:07 PM) I hope Avisail is a Padre, quite frankly. Probably would be better to be part of a trade for a hitter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 Yeah, Eaton/Jackson/Cabrera/Garcia/Shuck/Sands/Coats/Jay... something's gotta give there and my hope is it's Sands and Garcia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 QUOTE (soxfan49 @ Jun 4, 2016 -> 02:09 PM) Which is why I said before his last start, no one would have said he's cooked. Read the first few pages of this thread, many posters were against the idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jun 4, 2016 -> 02:09 PM) Platoon him with Jackson moving Jackson to backup OF most of the time. Honestly if he hits better then Jackson and can play adequate cf I would have jay starting most of the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 How's Jay's defense? I see some conflicting stats on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 If Jay is included I see him in left at times with Melky moving to DH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jun 4, 2016 -> 02:11 PM) Honestly if he hits better then Jackson and can play adequate cf I would have jay starting most of the time Yeah...and the left handed part of a platoon does that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 If Sox get jay he's putting up a 1.1 war vs Jackson at .1 according to baseball reference. Would think jay replaces jackson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jun 4, 2016 -> 02:12 PM) How's Jay's defense? I see some conflicting stats on it Probably same as Jackson right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 Jackson's coming around as a hitter now, I don't think "replacing" him is the best idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 QUOTE (hi8is @ Jun 4, 2016 -> 02:12 PM) If Jay is included I see him in left at times with Melky moving to DH Could see him replacing Jackson and Sox still going to get a LH hitter for dh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 Jon Heyman @JonHeyman 40s41 seconds ago Padres, chisox have agreed on the principals of shields deal, with only details to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jun 4, 2016 -> 02:18 PM) Jon Heyman @JonHeyman 40s41 seconds ago Padres, chisox have agreed on the principals of shields deal, with only details to go Probably going to need to be approved by commissioner since money might be involved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 BIG GAME JAMES SHIELDS BABY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 I kind of really hope Jay is in the deal, I think he would fit perfectly with this team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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