Lip Man 1 Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jun 7, 2016 -> 01:50 PM) You don't have many problems/issues. That's me. Mark Edited June 7, 2016 by Lip Man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jun 7, 2016 -> 02:38 PM) Which is why, as I told an earlier poster, I'll let the results on the field and the front office moves do the talking from that perspective from now on. That should make a segment of the readers happy. So it's win / win for all! Mark Cool - we'll see how long that lasts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (ptatc @ Jun 7, 2016 -> 02:58 PM) I think it does change though. Prior to having a family, the sports world was important, as kids came along it fell back. As the kids got older and move out, there is less going on around the house and the sports world has begun to climb the daily ladder. Man this is how it feels for me. I am 25 and started my career with a really cool company in the past few months downtown and wanting to prove myself. It feels like I'm not as in to the game as I was despite being a huge baseball and Sox fan. It's crazy and sucks how it happens. Guess it's just a part of growing up. Edited June 7, 2016 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_Jack29 Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 QUOTE (ptatc @ Jun 7, 2016 -> 01:58 PM) I think it does change though. Prior to having a family, the sports world was important, as kids came along it fell back. As the kids got older and move out, there is less going on around the house and the sports world has begun to climb the daily ladder. Even before I got married and had kids, I found it important to have at least one other hobby besides sports. It's much easier to stay sane that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jun 7, 2016 -> 01:18 PM) Man this is how it feels for me. I am 25 and started my career with a really cool company in the past few months downtown and wanting to prove myself. It feels like I'm not as in to the game as I was despite being a huge baseball and Sox fan. It's crazy and sucks how it happens. Guess it's just a part of growing up. I am at that life cycle as well, but the bigger change for me was, I don't let the losses bring you down. Winning baseball is fun and watching good teams is fun, but if they aren't, I got plenty of other things to do and enjoy. Kids, wife, and work are clearly the highest priorities and while I'm still passionate about sports, I'm not about to waste my time on something that doesn't entertain me. I figure when the kids get older and interest shifts, I figure I might find myself adjust as PTACT described. When I was a kid, I had all the time and could practically name every single MLB roster and every single move. Now, I still spit out a lot, but not near to the degree (far more competing priorities). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 So many Sox fans at work walk by me and say crap about losses/how the team is swirling but man I just don't care that much anymore about losing streaks. It's baseball, every team will go through it. The great thing is we're still above .500, get on a mini hot streak or just play .500 ball until the deadline and you are just a move or two away from a WC. I just can't get worked up anymore about bad baseball in May/June. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 7, 2016 -> 03:37 PM) I am at that life cycle as well, but the bigger change for me was, I don't let the losses bring you down. Winning baseball is fun and watching good teams is fun, but if they aren't, I got plenty of other things to do and enjoy. Kids, wife, and work are clearly the highest priorities and while I'm still passionate about sports, I'm not about to waste my time on something that doesn't entertain me. I figure when the kids get older and interest shifts, I figure I might find myself adjust as PTACT described. When I was a kid, I had all the time and could practically name every single MLB roster and every single move. Now, I still spit out a lot, but not near to the degree (far more competing priorities). Yeah I used to be able to name everyone on every roster lol playing games like MVP Baseball and The Show, watching ESPN and MLBN every day over the years used to help. Now I feel lost doing fantasy baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 (edited) Would the Sox receive a draft pick if Shields were to opt? I know the answer with most players who are traded mid-season is no, but is there a loophole in the rules for players with an opt-out? I just assumed the answer would be no, but Hahn specifically saying they'd receive a compensation pick if Shields opts out and leaves has me wondering. There is no way the White Sox don't understand how the compensation rules work, right? That would be a pretty damning indictment on the organization if they don't know a basic rule most people on here are aware of. Edited June 7, 2016 by maxjusttyped Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 QUOTE (maxjusttyped @ Jun 7, 2016 -> 03:53 PM) Would the Sox receive a draft pick if Shields were to opt? I know the answer with most players who are traded mid-season is no, but is there a loophole in the rules for players with an opt-out? I just assumed the answer would be no, but Hahn specifically saying they'd receive a compensation pick if Shields opts out and leaves has me wondering. There is no way the White Sox don't understand how the compensation rules work, right? That would be a pretty damning incitement on the organization if they don't know a basic rule most people on here are aware of. I don't think so, but he'd be DAMNED FOOL to opt out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 QUOTE (maxjusttyped @ Jun 7, 2016 -> 03:53 PM) Would the Sox receive a draft pick if Shields were to opt? I know the answer with most players who are traded mid-season is no, but is there a loophole in the rules for players with an opt-out? I just assumed the answer would be no, but Hahn specifically saying they'd receive a compensation pick if Shields opts out and leaves has me wondering. There is no way the White Sox don't understand how the compensation rules work, right? That would be a pretty damning indictment on the organization if they don't know a basic rule most people on here are aware of. Maybe they would receive a PTNBL from the Padres or something as compensation since we are trading for 2.5 seasons of Shields and we would only get half a season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jun 7, 2016 -> 03:55 PM) I don't think so, but he'd be DAMNED FOOL to opt out. Agreed, but not knowing how FA compensation works would be a pretty damning thing. Knowing the basic rules of roster management should be step 1 for being a GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 The CBA states that to be eligible to receive a qualifying offer a player must have been with the same Club at the major or minor league level since Opening Day of the last completed season. Ergo, the Sox could not offer him a qualifying offer. Text from page 87: (3) Rights of Former Club The following provision shall apply only to each Player who becomes a free agent under this Section B after having been contin- uously under reserve (without interruption) to the same Club (either at the Major or Minor League level) since Opening Day of the recently completed championship season (“Qualified Free Agent”). During the Quiet Period, the former Club of a Qualified Free Agent may tender the Qualified Free Agent a one-year Uniform Player’s Contract for the next succeeding season with a guaranteed salary that is equal to the average salary of the 125 highest-paid Players each year (“Qualifying Offer”)..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 QUOTE (maxjusttyped @ Jun 7, 2016 -> 03:58 PM) Agreed, but not knowing how FA compensation works would be a pretty damning thing. Knowing the basic rules of roster management should be step 1 for being a GM. Honestly, I didn't read your post completely. Didn't realize Hahn said that. Due to the opt out clause, they must get the comp pick if he does chose to opt out. More reason why he won't do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Jun 7, 2016 -> 02:32 PM) Even before I got married and had kids, I found it important to have at least one other hobby besides sports. It's much easier to stay sane that way. Good for you, different strokes for different folks as the old saying goes. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 7, 2016 -> 04:06 PM) The CBA states that to be eligible to receive a qualifying offer a player must have been with the same Club at the major or minor league level since Opening Day of the last completed season. Ergo, the Sox could not offer him a qualifying offer. Thats what I thought, but I'd be pretty blown away if Rick said they would get a pick if he opts out and was wrong about that. Admittedly, I haven't seen or heard that quote - just read it here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 7, 2016 -> 02:06 PM) The CBA states that to be eligible to receive a qualifying offer a player must have been with the same Club at the major or minor league level since Opening Day of the last completed season. Ergo, the Sox could not offer him a qualifying offer. Text from page 87: Is there any other paragraph that maybe indicates something different for a player who opts out of a contract. I don't know the answer (knew of the 1 year for impending FA's, just wasn't sure if opt-outs were somehow treated differently?). I skimmed and didn't see anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jun 7, 2016 -> 04:07 PM) Thats what I thought, but I'd be pretty blown away if Rick said they would get a pick if he opts out and was wrong about that. Admittedly, I haven't seen or heard that quote - just read it here. As I stated above, I think we would receive compensation from the Padres if he opts out. Think that's what he meant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jun 7, 2016 -> 04:10 PM) As I stated above, I think we would receive compensation from the Padres if he opts out. Think that's what he meant. I get it - my point is that if Rick were wrong about that I'd be blown away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 7, 2016 Author Share Posted June 7, 2016 Re-reading the title of this thread... I have to laugh at how many completely odd turns this thread has taken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 7, 2016 -> 05:10 PM) Is there any other paragraph that maybe indicates something different for a player who opts out of a contract. I don't know the answer (knew of the 1 year for impending FA's, just wasn't sure if opt-outs were somehow treated differently?). I skimmed and didn't see anything. As far as I can tell from the section on player and team option years there is no distinction. The QO process is not mentioned there and nothing about player/team options is included in the QO section. It's Opening Day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jun 7, 2016 -> 05:12 PM) I get it - my point is that if Rick were wrong about that I'd be blown away. Do you have a link to that text by Hahn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 The score was playing the soundbite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 7, 2016 -> 04:16 PM) Do you have a link to that text by Hahn? I'm digging online to try and find something right now. They played a soundbite on The Score a few minutes ago where Hahn specifically mentioned receiving compensation if Shields were to opt out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 QUOTE (maxjusttyped @ Jun 7, 2016 -> 05:21 PM) I'm digging online to try and find something right now. They played a soundbite on The Score a few minutes ago where Hahn specifically mentioned receiving compensation if Shields were to opt out. Well, let's say it this way - there's nothing I can find in the CBA that supports what RH said and the text I read quite clearly disagrees. There could be something buried somewhere in there, but I checked the sections that seem relevant to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 7, 2016 -> 02:13 PM) Re-reading the title of this thread... I have to laugh at how many completely odd turns this thread has taken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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