southsider2k5 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 Jon Heyman @JonHeyman 36m36 minutes ago Jon Heyman Retweeted Today's Knuckleball everyone's rooting for good guy robin ventura. but it's clear he's on the spot now. #chisox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 16, 2016 -> 11:17 AM) Jon Heyman @JonHeyman 36m36 minutes ago Jon Heyman Retweeted Today's Knuckleball everyone's rooting for good guy robin ventura. but it's clear he's on the spot now. #chisox Conformation Heyman has never been on this site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 Heyman's linked article says that this team is "as prepared as ever" this season due to Rick Renteria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 ^ Not angry enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 http://www.southsidesox.com/2016/6/16/1195...on-the-hot-seat DA, Really, fans should be "extra supportive" of Ventura because he's a nice guy? Surely we can have higher expectations as Sox fans than that. If Ty Cobb was managing the team right now and we were 40-26, the majority of the fanbase would be quite happy. Do fans "owe" him anything after the last 4 1/2 years? If this was 2012, you could certainly argue "yes" because it wasn't his fault he was given the keys to the team without even having a driver's permit. But, at this point, patience is wearing thin, especially when the division seemed so winnable...and still largely is, barring huge additions to KC or Detroit (Indians unlikely to be able to pull off a huge trade unless they finally show a willingness to trade one of their starting pitchers). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jun 16, 2016 -> 07:24 AM) HUH???? Baseball 101. Robin would not be showcasing him , Hahn would. If he is being played to showcase, that decision is made at the GM level Right, but I'm saying Robin can't afford to lose any more games and potentially his job so the team can try to trick someone in to taking Avi. Robin is apparently fighting for his job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB2.0 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Well...the thing about Robin is: He doesn't have a clue what he's doing. Quite frankly - none of them do. Are they "All In?" Not? Showcasing turds like Avi? Got $ to spend? Don't? Nobody knows. Expect minimal effort on the part of EVERYONE and mediocre results. White Sox Baseball™. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 22 games until the break. 9-13, let him go and finish the season with Renteria. Anything better, don't bother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Flavum, that pretty much puts us in the same exact position as last year's team going into the All-Star break. Within hailing distance, but not really in it unless major changes are made...a couple of significant players added. If we're going to "stand pat" again, fine, leave Ventura as a lame duck. But I can't help thinking how frustrating it would be to surrender more minor league talent, only to waste it on a lame duck manager and then turn around and start over again next year. In the end, it's JR's business to run into the ground, but the way they've been running things this year, things might finally be changing. FWIW, it was 41-45 and 11 games behind KC at the ASB last year (49-50/49-51 at the end of July but still 10+ out). Now, the overall divisional lead will be a lot less in 2016, but we also only had KC and an obviously-flawed Minnesota in front of us, this year it's very easily going to be three teams, and the AL as a whole is even more competitive than even last year, with only TB/OAK/HOU likely to be out of it. KC will get Gordon back (like making a trade) and Detroit's definitely going to be doing everything in its power to compete. Where does that leave the Sox AGAIN? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitoMB345 Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 This should happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan85 Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 Signed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 If they get to Sunday night and they're 2-7 against the Indians and Royals, and 2-4 vs the Tigers, do they really have any more moves left? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 You know at some point the results have to show improvement. All you have to do is look at the divisional record. It's not. He needs to go ASAP. Not all on him certainly but change is needed. The results aren't there whether it's with Robin or the front office. They need to sell the veterans all off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 Don't worry, the Sox are about to lose their next 6 straight and he'll be gone. They don't stand a chance against the Red Sox and Salazar and Carrasco playing the type of garbage ball they've been playing for the last month and a half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 Ventura is a symptom of a stodgy, mediocre front office that lacks creativity, finesse and sorely lacks talent evaluation skills. Not point in moving Ventura if Rick Hahn is still GM; and probably no reason to move Hahn without moving Williams out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jun 17, 2016 -> 09:50 PM) Ventura is a symptom of a stodgy, mediocre front office that lacks creativity, finesse and sorely lacks talent evaluation skills. Not point in moving Ventura if Rick Hahn is still GM; and probably no reason to move Hahn without moving Williams out. And none of that is going to happen with the current owner, so we're back to Square One. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jun 17, 2016 -> 09:50 PM) Ventura is a symptom of a stodgy, mediocre front office that lacks creativity, finesse and sorely lacks talent evaluation skills. Not point in moving Ventura if Rick Hahn is still GM; and probably no reason to move Hahn without moving Williams out. They all have infinite lives. Pretty embarrassing that their is a complete lack of consequences when your organization has missed the postseason 8 straight seasons. 5 in which have had the same manager. But don't worry, it's not the managers fault or upper management's fault. It is ALL on the players. Wait, but who acquires those players? And who manages those players? It's a circle of crap. I'm convinced JR accepts mediocrity. Like I said, the White Sox are run like a country club, a bunch of friends hanging out and win or loss --it doesn't matter because everyone is making money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jun 17, 2016 -> 09:57 PM) Nothing summarizes the State of the Sox better than this. Because of the sweetheart lease deal, Reinsdorf & Co. make oodles and oodles of money no matter what, so they always remain very comfortable regardless of how the team does. Zero incentive to improve - ever. EVER! Lack of fannies in the seats and low TV ratings don't really matter much because they still make money hand over fist. That's what a lease deal that entitles you to all of the revenues without any of the expenses will garner you. It's a very unfortunate cycle for the fans because there is no inherent incentive for management to actually win, and this fact continues to bear itself out year after year after year. It's why the fans get the kind of ho-hum dumpster dive moves like we got last winter that are packaged as some sort of serious effort to "win". Low cost to ownership that doesn't threaten expected profit margins. Again, terrific for Jerry & Co., not so great as we continue to see for White Sox Nation. All the fans are left to do is grin and bear it until hopefully the next owner is able to turn this thing around. If James Shields doesn't come out of it soon, that will be the perfect icing on the cake...spending $27 million that would have been better allocated across 5 other areas (DH/OF/LH power/bullpen/bench, etc.). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkness99 Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 He just wins what else is there to say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 So 6-16 against KC, DET and CLE. Robin, please step into my office because you're f***ing fired! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jun 18, 2016 -> 08:49 AM) So 6-16 against KC, DET and CLE. Robin, please step into my office because you're f***ing fired! If they fall to 6-18 vs the other three and 5.5 out in the division, and just as much or more for the second wildcard, there really is no other move than to fire Ventura. The percentages for them to make the playoffs with or without him would be way down there, so they might as well give Renteria the keys as an interim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 I really wish we could have a daily poll on the subject. What is Robin's current approval rating. Perhaps by the hour during games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 We could verify once and for all the Q Death Spiral and whether it only exists under Ventura, since he's been the only Sox manager while Q has gone through this crazy streak of no decisions and losses where the offense only puts up 1 run or 0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 If you are THIS bad at your job and your boss won't fire you, couldn't you at least consider resigning? All this losing can't be much fun. Robin has to be set for life financially. If he's not I do not know how that would be possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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