RockRaines Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Jun 27, 2016 -> 02:04 PM) Catchers take much longer to develop and it's too important of a defensive position to try and develop at the MLB level. If Collins is up before 2018 it means that they have given up on him as a catcher and I don't think they want to do that. I bet you anything that they dont give two s***s about his ability to be a catcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosoxgo2005 Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 I'm of the opinion the Beckham would have failed if he had 10 mi or league at bats or 1000. He just wasn't mentally there IMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 QUOTE (gosoxgo2005 @ Jun 27, 2016 -> 07:07 PM) I'm of the opinion the Beckham would have failed if he had 10 mi or league at bats or 1000. He just wasn't mentally there IMHO He had a hitch in his swing that got taken advantage of pretty quickly. He then tried to reinvent his hitting style and he couldnt get to where he used to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosoxgo2005 Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jun 27, 2016 -> 07:24 PM) He had a hitch in his swing that got taken advantage of pretty quickly. He then tried to reinvent his hitting style and he couldnt get to where he used to be. A BRUTAL hitch and I was gonna say that in my last response. It's not too dissimilar to Lawrie's. If Lawrie could eliminate his hitch he'd make so much more contact. No idea how he's gone so far without a professional hitting coach saying, "hey man you gotta get rid of that thing." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jun 27, 2016 -> 07:03 PM) I bet you anything that they dont give two s***s about his ability to be a catcher. This exactly. Collins was drafted for his bat first and foremost. If Collins bat progresses ahead of his glove behind the plate, his position will likely change to 1B. I think the progression of Collins bat is what matters most to the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Beckham wasn't lacking in confidence in the least, on the surface. (Mentally, he was always compared to Paulie and Quentin.) He just didn't have the hand speed to make up for that hitch. You never saw Beckham absolutely smash-pull a 95+ fastball to LF, maybe ever... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosoxgo2005 Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 27, 2016 -> 08:11 PM) Beckham wasn't lacking in confidence in the least, on the surface. (Mentally, he was always compared to Paulie and Quentin.) He just didn't have the hand speed to make up for that hitch. You never saw Beckham absolutely smash-pull a 95+ fastball to LF, maybe ever... Rookie season. Joe Nathan and the twins. Bacon CRUSHED a 95+ mph fastball to left field Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 (edited) Well, there you go...the ONE season he played with complete confidence, from May until maybe mid August that year. Faded at the end. But even Mark Teahen had a stretch like that ONCE in his career. Edited June 28, 2016 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Collins or Senzel, that's the 2016 draft race to an MLB batter's box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jun 27, 2016 -> 07:02 PM) He's a DH/1B anyway, f*** his glove. He may be the most patient bat on the team if they brought him up right now. I agree with you, I think it's best for him a player and for the team if they take away his glove and make him a 1B/DH so he can just focus purely on the bat. But you would have to ask why the Sox would draft a 1B/DH 10th overall then and the only way to justify that is by ensuring his bat is as special as it can be. Edited June 29, 2016 by Joshua Strong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 (edited) Yep, it better be Schwarber/Bryant-like results to merit a 10th pick in the first round without having a position...he needs to be Evan Gattis+, not Joe Mauer (since the position change). Edited June 29, 2016 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 29, 2016 -> 01:37 AM) Yep, it better be Schwarber/Bryant-like results to merit a 10th pick in the first round without having a position...he needs to be Evan Gattis+, not Joe Mauer (since the position change). On MLBN draft day, they were asked if Schwarber comp was fair and one of the guys said no way. Collins has a glove at least. Forget which one analyst it was. Either callis or mayo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jun 29, 2016 -> 03:36 AM) On MLBN draft day, they were asked if Schwarber comp was fair and one of the guys said no way. Collins has a glove at least. Forget which one analyst it was. Either callis or mayo. Schwarber has more power. Collins has on base skills that this team just doesn't have. I'd be thinking 25-30 homers and tons of walks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 13, 2016 Author Share Posted July 13, 2016 Robert Murray @RobertMurrayFRS 2h2 hours ago White Sox first rounder Zack Collins is being sent to High-A Winston Salem tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Collins 2-3 in winston salem with a single and 3 run homer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jul 15, 2016 -> 07:27 PM) Collins 2-3 in winston salem with a single and 3 run homer He'll probably be in Birmingham tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 15, 2016 -> 05:29 PM) He'll probably be in Birmingham tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 3-4 now. 2 singles and homer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jul 15, 2016 -> 07:55 PM) 3-4 now. 2 singles and homer Current A+ OPS: 1.800 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condor13 Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Jul 15, 2016 -> 09:44 PM) Current A+ OPS: 1.800 Collins hit another 3 run home run tonight!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Sox Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 QUOTE (Condor13 @ Jul 17, 2016 -> 06:00 PM) Collins hit another 3 run home run tonight!! And he drew two more walks, giving him 4 in his first 3 A+ games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 QUOTE (Dizzy Sox @ Jul 17, 2016 -> 06:02 PM) And he drew two more walks, giving him 4 in his first 3 A+ games. He's gona be a stud. Too bad we don't have a competent front office to build a winner right now or sell the pieces off and have a great new core for when Collins is ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 I think that if the Sox make him a 1B/DH, Collins could be up with the ML team sometime next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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