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Something's rotten in Denmark...or is it "rotting"?

 

 

The Royals have one of the worst minor league systems in the major leagues, behind the White Sox entering this season.

 

Their top four guys are all basically terrible (Starling, the Borchard/Mitchell/Fields of KC history), injured (Zimmer/Almonte) or suspended for PED's (Mondesi, Jr.) The only player from their top ten who has contributed at the MLB level this year is Cheslor Cuthbert, their 10th rated prospect...essentially the equivalent of Jason Coats at this point in the 2016 campaign I think most of our prospect experts/followers would agree. Agreed?

 

http://kingsofkauffman.com/2016/01/08/kc-r...pects-for-2016/

 

Think about the results even higher-rated White Sox prospects such as Carlos Sanchez, Micah Johnson, Frankie Montas, Erik Johnson, Tyler Saladino, Marcus Semien and Trayce Thompson have produced for the White Sox in the last two years. Thompson is the only player to really hold his own and seem like he belonged, also agreed?

 

Rodon was the other, although I'm not sure we want to discuss his last 10 big league starts. Severe regression from the last 10 in 2015, and completely a different pitcher in terms of "swagger."

 

Then you have this list (all players who were between 11-30 in the Royals' system entering 2016:

 

Cheslor Cuthbert #10 704 OPS, better defense than Moustakas (Nicaragua)...704 OPS

Paulo Orlando, White Sox castoff and career minor league journeyman...771 OPS

Whit Merrifield (Zobrist Lite)...724 OPS, solid at 2B and OF

Christian Colon (terrible draft pick for where he went in the first, but still better than Omar Infante)...629 (plus a Greg775 fave)

Sal Butera...Twins' castoff, father played for Brewers...856 OPS

Brett Eibner...best hair in the minor leagues, Prince Valiant, always injured...1.192 OPS (limited AB's, killed Sox)

Raymond Fuentes....high draft pick of Padres, another castoff, 753 OPS

Btw, Hunter Dozier/Jorge Bonifacio....next up in case of yet another injury (corner OF/DH/3B)

 

The White Sox STRUGGLE with an admittedly higher rated system to get just ONE player to produce like that (not to mention bringing up players like Tim Anderson before they're actually ready).

 

The Royals have had SEVEN players step in and hold their own just this year. That's not even counting Dyson and Terrence Gore, who have also contributed a lot from 2014-16.

 

All of them, with the POSSIBLE exception of Jason Coats, would have been LOWER RATED in a farm system that's cumulatively lower rated than the White Sox 2016 system and whose top four prospects are complete NON-FACTORS this year.

 

The same system that has traded away W.Myers, Odorizzi, Lamb, Montgomery, Manaea, Finnegan and Cody Reed...who would probably comprise a better system ALONE than the entirety of 2016 White Sox and 2016 Royals' current minor league prospects put together.

 

Remember, this team BLEW draft picks on Colon, Zimmer and Starling, and are still ahead of the White Sox.

 

It's just luck, though. Same thing with the Minnesota Twins' Piranhas from 2001-2010. Robin Ventura would have them in the same exact position over the last 3+ seasons were he to have been managing the Royals and Yost switched to managing the White Sox. Remember, Ned Yost is one of the worst managers in baseball (according to almost all experts), so surely Ventura would have won TWO World Series titles and even gotten KC to the playoffs in 2014 when they finished 10 games over .500.

 

 

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Of course, no one has attempted to answer the question or explain why this is the case...

 

We prefer to just stick our heads in the sand and pretend everything's just fine and dandy.

 

The thing is, this was the same exact case with the Twins for a decade. The White Sox are more talented, the Twins are just lucky. Heard that year after year after year while the Twins were making the playoffs six out of nine years.

 

But 2005 I guess cancelled out anything the Twins did because of their playoff record, until KC actually won it all with essentially the same strategy (minor league development, pitching/speed/defense, core of three or four really good players surrounded by a bunch of utility guys whose sum is greater than their individual parts, etc.)

 

 

And actually, there's a very simple answer. 2012. The White Sox got unexpected production out of 10+ rookie pitchers. The problem was down the stretch, they couldn't withstand the challenge from the team with the superior talent, the Tigers. In this case, we'll see if the Royals' system is still stronger, or the Indians/Tigers will prevail and the KC window will be closing, with only 2017 left to compete.

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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 13, 2016 -> 08:52 AM)
Ask me any question about the Tigers, Indians or Twins. I will be more than happy to address those as well.

 

Yea...no. Not even close

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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 13, 2016 -> 09:53 AM)
Go ahead, ask me any question about the Tigers, that's not something that is factual but requires analysis/evaluation/opinion.

 

Why dont you understand that I dont care. This site doesnt care about the Royals like you do. They are a rival, just like the Tigers Twins Indians. But you know what? You seem to enjoy comparing and contrasting the Royals in 95 percent of your posts(caulfield percentage), to the point where people like CB2.0 ask why so much?

 

You genuinely come off as a Royals fan masquerading as a White Sox fan trying to rub our noses in everything Royals. f*** that, f*** the Royals. Dont like em, dont care about em.

 

 

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QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 13, 2016 -> 10:15 AM)
Why dont you understand that I dont care. This site doesnt care about the Royals like you do. They are a rival, just like the Tigers Twins Indians. But you know what? You seem to enjoy comparing and contrasting the Royals in 95 percent of your posts(caulfield percentage), to the point where people like CB2.0 ask why so much?

 

You genuinely come off as a Royals fan masquerading as a White Sox fan trying to rub our noses in everything Royals. f*** that, f*** the Royals. Dont like em, dont care about em.

Who cares? If you don't like what he talks about, just ignore him.

 

I think he talks about the Royals a lot too, but they're relevant to the content of this forum and it isn't offensive or anything like that.

 

Just my opinion.

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QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jun 13, 2016 -> 10:46 AM)
Who cares? If you don't like what he talks about, just ignore him.

 

I think he talks about the Royals a lot too, but they're relevant to the content of this forum and it isn't offensive or anything like that.

 

Just my opinion.

Because it clutters up a White Sox board, especially when originally posted in PHT and mods constantly have to move threads to Diamond Club.

 

Caufield, stick to 1 Royals thread for all these larger posts. Use the AL central catch all for tid bits. If people want to read your Royal posts they'll know where to look.

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All you need to know about the Royals is they are a s*** baseball team that feasts on the White Sox and lets the White Sox save their season time and again. 7-2 vs. Chicago this year and it woulda been 8-2 but one game got rained out in KC. KC would have won that game obviously in that 3-game series from hell in KC.

 

The White Sox cure what ails the Royals ... always.

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Your premise is the Royals are doing something special. They have sucked, only rescued by their wins over the Sox putting them back on the right track twice now! They'll be back in the gutter soon, caulfield.

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Yost was getting credit around here the other day for pitching Herrera and Davis 3 straight days. I think it was the first game or the middle game of their sweep of Cleveland. Asked why he did it, Yost admitted it was a "big game" and a big swing in the standings when you lose to a first place Central Division team.

Nothing wrong with a manager "admitting" a series is big. The White Sox chug into every series doing their "season is a marathon" thing and get owned by almost every other Central squad. It's really getting pathetic to watch us lose most games to Central squads. Can hardly believe we took 2 of 3 from Detroit recently.

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Greg, a big part of that was Victor Martinez being out until he PH in the final game. The typical "Sox killer" if ever there was one.

 

The next night, 3 homers against KC.

 

And Yost bungled a similar situation where he burned through Herrera and Wade Davis in a previous series...was forced to use Soria as closer in the first game of the 4 game series against the Indians in CLE, and ended up getting swept 4-0 (largely as the tone was set in that first game) and losing a 2 1/2 game lead in the process.

 

But he adjusted and they were out from the very beginning to sweep the Indians back in KC this week. Protecting that 23-8 home field advantage.

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