captain54 Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 17, 2016 -> 06:52 AM) What is the cutoff to competent Lip? Torborg's career winning percentage is only .006 higher than Robin's. Torborg's record with the Sox. .515 Ventura's record with the Sox…465 Manager of the Year award.. Torborg 1 vs Ventura 0 Torborg.. 2 seasons above .500, 1 season under .500 Ventura.. 1 season above .500, 3 seasons under .500, and one currently @.500 Torborg brought the 1989 Sox from a 69 win team.. to the 1990 Sox, 94 win team (finishing behind the 103 win Oakland A's, managed by the Sox reject, Tony LaRussa) Ventura is very kind to the Reinsdorf family and always brings a nice deli platter when he's invited to a Reinsdorf family event Edited July 17, 2016 by captain54 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 Greg: To add to your post Torborg at least got his feet wet in the major leagues as a manager with a bad Indians team. At least he came into the Sox job with an understanding of things and how to do it at the big league level. Robin had zero experience, never coached or managed a day in his life before he took the Sox on the field opening day, 2012. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jul 17, 2016 -> 12:23 PM) Greg: To add to your post Torborg at least got his feet wet in the major leagues as a manager with a bad Indians team. At least he came into the Sox job with an understanding of things and how to do it at the big league level. Robin had zero experience, never coached or managed a day in his life before he took the Sox on the field opening day, 2012. Mark Lamont and Manuel had 5-6 years of experience as coaches. KW's two managers: Guillen had 3 Ventura had 0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 QUOTE (captain54 @ Jul 17, 2016 -> 11:26 AM) Torborg's record with the Sox. .515 Ventura's record with the Sox…465 Manager of the Year award.. Torborg 1 vs Ventura 0 Torborg.. 2 seasons above .500, 1 season under .500 Ventura.. 1 season above .500, 3 seasons under .500, and one currently @.500 Torborg brought the 1989 Sox from a 69 win team.. to the 1990 Sox, 94 win team (finishing behind the 103 win Oakland A's, managed by the Sox reject, Tony LaRussa) Ventura is very kind to the Reinsdorf family and always brings a nice deli platter when he's invited to a Reinsdorf family event Torborg was .439 coming in and was given a prey good roster. His White Sox winning percentage is only .006 better than Terry Bevington's. And the experience card is beyond overplayed. Maybe in year 1, but they won 85 games. What Brooks Boyer should do is arrange an interview for Lip with JR, KW, RH and RV. He will never slam them again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 17, 2016 -> 01:38 PM) Torborg was .439 coming in and was given a prey good roster. His White Sox winning percentage is only .006 better than Terry Bevington's. And the experience card is beyond overplayed. Maybe in year 1, but they won 85 games. What Brooks Boyer should do is arrange an interview for Lip with JR, KW, RH and RV. He will never slam them again. Why, because individually and collectively they've all been so good at running the White Sox organization? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 Thad: I'd very much like to interview any of them. I'd be perfectly willing to do so at their convenience as long as no areas were 'off limits.' JR has been known to set boundaries before willing to do interviews in the past from what I've been told by others. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jul 17, 2016 -> 02:50 PM) Thad: I'd very much like to interview any of them. I'd be perfectly willing to do so at their convenience as long as no areas were 'off limits.' JR has been known to set boundaries before willing to do interviews in the past from what I've been told by others. Mark I hope you get the opportunity to interview them someday. I enjoy your interviews, so I'm sure we'd learn quite a bit from the brain trust running things over there at 35th and Shields. Certainly plenty of questions to ask, for which the answers would be very interesting to hear, to say the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 (edited) Getting asses kicked by the Braves and Angels...yet Robin will have a job Edited July 17, 2016 by SouthSideSale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 17, 2016 -> 04:02 PM) Getting asses kicked by the Braves and Angels...yet Robin has a job He will have a job the rest of this season also. In fact, they will keep him around and continue to add and not subtract to this roster. Apparently being 4+ games out of a wildcard spot and getting their butts kicked by two of the worst teams in baseball isn't enough for them to waive the white flag. I'm convinced Rick Hahn and KW are delusional. Keep retooling this roster, dudes-- it will solve all of the problems! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Jul 17, 2016 -> 04:09 PM) He will have a job the rest of this season also. In fact, they will keep him around and continue to add and not subtract to this roster. Apparently being 4+ games out of a wildcard spot and getting their butts kicked by two of the worst teams in baseball isn't enough for them to waive the white flag. I'm convinced Rick Hahn and KW are delusional. Keep retooling this roster, dudes-- it will solve all of the problems! For all we know Hahn wants to sell and JR won't let him. The organization is a mess regardless of whose most incompetent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 Not sure why we conceded this game in order to save a few bucks (Turner). Kinda stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 QUOTE (CWSpalehoseCWS @ Jul 17, 2016 -> 03:23 PM) For all we know Hahn wants to sell and JR won't let him. The organization is a mess regardless of whose most incompetent. There were actually some reports / rumors that Hahn did want to sell at the deadline last year but was over ruled. Again I don't know if that's true or not. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jul 17, 2016 -> 04:47 PM) There were actually some reports / rumors that Hahn did want to sell at the deadline last year but was over ruled. Again I don't know if that's true or not. Mark Thought I heard that too. No clue if it's true or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 I would sell Frazier and DRob personally. I think you could get a valuable piece for both and I don't see either in the long term plans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 17, 2016 -> 07:53 PM) I would sell Frazier and DRob personally. I think you could get a valuable piece for both and I don't see either in the long term plans. Agreed. Giving Frazier a $100 million wouldn't be good for this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 Whoops wrong thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize things haven't worked out very well in the Robin era. That'd be funny if after we get eliminated in early September the Sox dominate the rest of the month and he stays again, lol. It'll be hard to fire him if they rattle off 10-12 wins in a row to end the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 17, 2016 -> 10:42 PM) It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize things haven't worked out very well in the Robin era. That'd be funny if after we get eliminated in early September the Sox dominate the rest of the month and he stays again, lol. It'll be hard to fire him if they rattle off 10-12 wins in a row to end the season. No it wouldn't. Would be meaningless winning stretch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 17, 2016 -> 11:42 PM) It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize things haven't worked out very well in the Robin era. That'd be funny if after we get eliminated in early September the Sox dominate the rest of the month and he stays again, lol. It'll be hard to fire him if they rattle off 10-12 wins in a row to end the season. Well, this is the final year of his contract so he wouldnt have to be fired Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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