Y2Jimmy0 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 (edited) http://www.southsidesox.com/2016/6/20/1197...-jerry-its-over Edited June 20, 2016 by Y2JImmy0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 hmmm It's a podcast, just FYI. For those that have ears/time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 I'm guessing he has the wrong link: http://www.southsidesox.com/2016/6/20/1197...-jerry-its-over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Haven't had a chance to listen yet... What was the summary in terms of looking at possible solutions and/or consequences? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Not a podcast. Probably wrong link. Excellent post by larry, per usual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Jun 20, 2016 -> 03:10 PM) I'm guessing he has the wrong link: http://www.southsidesox.com/2016/6/20/1197...-jerry-its-over Larry is great. He basically said everything perfectly and didn't put the blame on anyone but where it should go -- at the ENTIRE ORG. There needs to be sweeping changes. Yea RV sucks tactically, yea Hahn has made some poor additions, yea the scouting staff sucks -- THEY ALL SUCK. I also like that he pointed out how much less success Cooper is having finding "his guys". Cooper is far from blameless and the fact that nobody even really considers him part of the problem is another problem. The entire staff needs brooming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 It put pen to paper the general feeling that the sox have made a ton of moves to basically be in a worse place than they would be if they made no moves at all (in regard to depth/salary/production) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 20, 2016 -> 02:48 PM) It put pen to paper the general feeling that the sox have made a ton of moves to basically be in a worse place than they would be if they made no moves at all (in regard to depth/salary/production) So basically, we're the Padres except with even less attendance/interest. Sounds about right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 20, 2016 -> 03:48 PM) It put pen to paper the general feeling that the sox have made a ton of moves to basically be in a worse place than they would be if they made no moves at all (in regard to depth/salary/production) Yes, that was the conclusion. And that there isn't much that can be done, because do you want the same guy who made those counterproductive moves conducting a fire sale? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Yes, basically a year after saying "At least we didn't do what the Padres did" we ended up basically doing what the Padres did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox802 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Bingo. The Padres but less interest & worse attendance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 20, 2016 -> 04:27 PM) Yes, basically a year after saying "At least we didn't do what the Padres did" we ended up basically doing what the Padres did. Sox are in better shape than the Padres, at least, with Q, EAton, Sale and Abreu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jun 20, 2016 -> 04:57 PM) Sox are in better shape than the Padres, at least, with Q, EAton, Sale and Abreu. I agree, sox are in a much better position provided the whole front office and pro scouting goes and they move their assets. If & when that happens they would be well served paying the majority of the contracts they move for better returns since its dead money and they won't be a player in free agency in the short term. A sox rebuild isn't with out its own set of issues but at least its a direction instead of what we've witnessed during the Hahn era, and they could get back to contention in a short period of time based off the haul Sale, Quintana, Eaton & Abreu should provide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Yeah, SD is really screwed being in the same division as LAD and SFG. The AL Central doesn't have two huge revenue producing machines like that...even AZ/Colorado are much more well-off than teams like the Indians/Twins/White Sox in terms of attendance/revenue generation. KC and Cincy, as far as I can recall, are the two smallest media markets in the US. All things considered, it's pretty remarkable the Padres are pretty significantly outdrawing the Orioles and Mariners this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Such a great article. Hahn honestly might be the biggest issue that needs to be solved in the whole organization. Hard to be worse than he's been the last two seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 (edited) Hahn is great at two things. 1) Contract negotiations with younger players in pre-arb. 2) Speaking to the press without saying anything at all, which comes from his Harvard Law School training Everything else, not so much. What's going to be really hilarious will be Hahn getting fired and JR deciding to "save" Ventura because the team's playing relatively well in the other games NOT started by Shields. Edited June 21, 2016 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxforlife05 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 20, 2016 -> 10:23 PM) Hahn is great at two things. 1) Contract negotiations with younger players in pre-arb. 2) Speaking to the press without saying anything at all, which comes from his Harvard Law School training Everything else, not so much. What's going to be really hilarious will be Hahn getting fired and JR deciding to "save" Ventura because the team's playing relatively well in the other games NOT started by Shields. It sounds like Hahn would be a better sports agent than GM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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