Chisoxfn Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Moves are absolutely going to have to be made. Period. This isn't getting better without moves getting made. Now that can't happen overnight, with exception of clearing out Fred / Gar / Pax (which I am fine with). I've said for a long time, I just can't imagine Pax getting the ax, but I might be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Wade on whether Hoiberg has control of the locker room: "You'll have to ask Fred that." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Moves only need to be made after THE move is made - Firing Pax and Forman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jan 27, 2017 -> 10:03 AM) Wade on whether Hoiberg has control of the locker room: "You'll have to ask Fred that." That is just hillarious. It is so clear how neutered Fred is. The interesting thing is, Wade does not have any reputation of being anything but an amazing teammate, so to me, the fact that it got to the point he had to publicly put everyone on blast, tells me a hell of a lot. I realize what he did was wrong...but this is a guy who is extremely well respected in the league, so things had to get pretty bad to get to this point. Interesting that Butler was largely pretty quiet when it came to everything...yes he said a few things, but it is almost like Wade told Jimmy, look, you got more to lose, so let me light everyone up over this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 27, 2017 -> 10:06 AM) Moves only need to be made after THE move is made - Firing Pax and Forman. I just don't see Pax getting the axe, but I think Forman / Fred need to be gone. Period. Unless they all secretly had some secret off-season plan and everything is going like they told JR in a closed room and we are all just getting duped, haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 JR should hire Doug Collins as a special advisor. Really really like Doug. By the way, here is what I see happening...Bulls will hire Mitch Kupcheck as there next GM in the off-season. Doug Collins was pretty honest...basically said it is pretty much that you can't repair what has happened. God, listening to Doug Collins and other legitimate coaches just gets me more freaking angry about how terrible Hoiberg is. Such a joke. There are high school basketball coaches know more about coaching then Fred. There was an interesting quote a while back from one of the LA Times writers on Hoiberg and he said he never saw a team tune out his players more then Iowa State did to Fred Hoiberg. I have no idea what it was related to, but evidently he had heard something that even at Iowa State (where he was obviously lived and will be welcome back with open arms), the players knew he really wasn't a great coach. He won at ISU because he was a great recruiter and brought them really good talent. College and Pro's are such a different dynamic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 We can't go into the deadline and let people who shouldn't be around a year from now make these moves. I hope JR is listening to Doug Collins interview right now and how much negative things he's saying about the Bulls...says a lot given how much Doug Collins loves the Bulls. It is bigger then that...he's ripping the defense, he's ripping the culture, the soap opera stance, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 This is like Marc Trestman bad. That or maybe I've become Mr. overreaction vs. the typical rational person I tend to think I am. There is no trust, no unity in this organization...none. And absolutely zero accountability. Just think back to the stories where people were afraid Gar was bugging the offices...how the hell does that guy stick around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 I think the Bulls are an even bigger trainwreck than the White Sox right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Doug Collins didn't say it directly, but with all the various things he talked about...he certainly indicted some things that Hoiberg clearly lacks that great coaches have. IF you have a chance, listen to Doug Collins interview on ESPN 1000. Guy knows his stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 27, 2017 -> 10:23 AM) I think the Bulls are an even bigger trainwreck than the White Sox right now. Yep. White Sox have pivoted and established a strategy. We don't know what the Bulls are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 27, 2017 -> 12:25 PM) Yep. White Sox have pivoted and established a strategy. We don't know what the Bulls are. Exactly. For better or worse, at least the Sox picked a direction. The Bulls are right in the middle, like the Sox were for all those years. Does anyone know if they're buying out Rondo's contract or was that just a rumor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 27, 2017 -> 10:26 AM) Exactly. For better or worse, at least the Sox picked a direction. The Bulls are right in the middle, like the Sox were for all those years. Does anyone know if they're buying out Rondo's contract or was that just a rumor? One major thing though...Doug Collins hit on it too, is you need all stars to win, and it is really hard to get all stars. You look at these teams that tank and no matter how many good picks they get, very few superstars exist and very hard to get all stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 If the Bulls dont burn this entire thing down from the top down this s*** show will continue. Pax and Gar have ventured beyond being the butt of jokes of the league to being disgraceful examples in how to not run an organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Weird, it's almost like encouraging players to undercut the coach they didn't like in the media had a longer term consequence of also having their players undercut the coach they did like. Couldn't have seen that coming! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Interesting...some spin on the radio further distancing Paxson from Gar. Basically stating that Pax, at the direction of JR, etc, had stepped back to let Gar do his thing, hire Fred, etc. I wonder if the next time we hear from Paxson is when he is announcing that the Bulls have a new GM. I always enjoy when Pax speaks...he's always very honest and transparent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananarchy Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 27, 2017 -> 01:48 PM) Interesting...some spin on the radio further distancing Paxson from Gar. Basically stating that Pax, at the direction of JR, etc, had stepped back to let Gar do his thing, hire Fred, etc. I wonder if the next time we hear from Paxson is when he is announcing that the Bulls have a new GM. I always enjoy when Pax speaks...he's always very honest and transparent. The bold is almost certainly the case. Pax isn't going anywhere. It will be up to him to fire Gar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jan 27, 2017 -> 08:10 AM) Let's not get carried away. You're better than that. QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jan 27, 2017 -> 08:37 AM) His shtick is to insanely overhype everything to the point of parody, but yes, that is a new low. QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 27, 2017 -> 09:31 AM) Oh wow. You just put Porzingus on the same plane as MJ and LeBron. Put it down dude, put it down. Like I said, a potential generational talent. Dude is 7'3. I repeat: SEVEN THREE. He can shoot, post, put the ball on the floor and is athletic as f***. His rebounding and defense overall needs to improve. there's a reason (multiple reasons) the Knicks are practically trying to give away Carmelo. They're ready to hand the franchise over to KP right now. If KP maxes out and doesn't get hurt, GMs all around the league will have to spend entire offseasons game-planning for this man. Who do we draft? Who do we trade for? Who do we sign in FA? QUOTE (Brian @ Jan 27, 2017 -> 10:04 AM) In J4L's defense, he said potential. KP will be good but I can't see him being Dirk or anything. After Oden, Ming and to a lesser extent Bynum you have to be wary when it comes to guys that damn big and tall. Embiid is another guy you just pray holds up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 27, 2017 Author Share Posted January 27, 2017 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 27, 2017 -> 04:23 PM) Like I said, a potential generational talent. Dude is 7'3. I repeat: SEVEN THREE. He can shoot, post, put the ball on the floor and is athletic as f***. His rebounding and defense overall needs to improve. there's a reason (multiple reasons) the Knicks are practically trying to give away Carmelo. They're ready to hand the franchise over to KP right now. If KP maxes out and doesn't get hurt, GMs all around the league will have to spend entire offseasons game-planning for this man. Who do we draft? Who do we trade for? Who do we sign in FA? After Oden, Ming and to a lesser extent Bynum you have to be wary when it comes to guys that damn big and tall. Embiid is another guy you just pray holds up. No. Just walk away. Don't go all Donald Trump on this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Wow...this is getting more and more interesting. Forman mentions nothing of anything and now all of a sudden Butler and Wade aren't in the starting lineup. Does this mean Hoiberg went around Gar and benched these two? If you were going to punish them, shouldn't Gar have made that statement when he did. Coach Fred Hoiberg said Jimmy Butler and Dwyane Wade will come off the bench Friday night as punishment for their words indicting young teammates for lack of commitment. Rondo blasted the pair's comments in a fiery Instagram post on Thursday but won't face any discipline, according to Hoiberg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Who is pumped for the Sixers-Bucks 2nd rd matchup in a few years for the right to play LeBron in the ECF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jan 27, 2017 -> 08:27 PM) Who is pumped for the Sixers-Bucks 2nd rd matchup in a few years for the right to play LeBron in the ECF? In a few years LeBron will be 36. If those two teams stay together, the King will likely be signing with one of them to play point guard and win more titles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 https://instagram.com/p/BPyhprHjsc0/ Derrick Rose is now dead. Kemba killed him tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jan 27, 2017 -> 08:40 PM) In a few years LeBron will be 36. If those two teams stay together, the King will likely be signing with one of them to play point guard and win more titles. That's too much thinking for me, man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 (edited) So Wade and Jimmy are 5-23 for 10 points and 6 turnovers through 3 quarters. They must not care about winning enough. Edited January 28, 2017 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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