Wanne Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jun 23, 2016 -> 09:00 PM) Giving up Valentine? And its not a win/win. Dunn/Wiggins are no sure thing. Wiggins has a lot of upside, but his greatness isnt guaranteed. Butler is the most valuable asset that the Bulls have, if they are going to trade him they need to win the trade easily. Giving up Valentine makes no sense in that respect. The whole point of Dunn/wiggins is you are getting 2 guys for 1 and that makes the risk less high because you hope that at least 1 of them turns into an All-Star. If you give up 2 players for 2 players and you are giving up the best player in the trade who is still in his prime and signed for a reasonable rate, you are unlikely to come out the winner. It's called rebuilding...with Wiggins being the main centerpiece. Dunn will be a better PG option than Valentine too IMO...plays MUCH better D too. Do they even view him as a PG?...doubtful. Wiggins is a superstar in the making...if you get a chance to get him AND a PG of Dunn's caliber...you do it. Of course that's just my 2¢... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Jun 23, 2016 -> 08:59 PM) Not in the off season. Well then he's been in Chicago a s*** ton since the end of the Bulls season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 QUOTE (Wanne @ Jun 23, 2016 -> 06:48 PM) that means nothing... I think it tells me what had been reported a week ago that franchise was building around him and that he was privy to what was going on looks to be more true and whatever leaks were from other organizations. In sure bulls would listen though why wouldn't you. Get blown away and make the move. We were dealing from the position of strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Whoever designed the jerseys for that French guy's team deserves serious punishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (Wanne @ Jun 23, 2016 -> 09:06 PM) It's called rebuilding...with Wiggins being the main centerpiece. Dunn will be a better PG option than Valentine too IMO...plays MUCH better D too. Do they even view him as a PG?...doubtful. Wiggins is a superstar in the making...if you get a chance to get him AND a PG of Dunn's caliber...you do it. Of course that's just my 2¢... I understand rebuilding, but when you trade just to trade you almost always regret it. There is no need for the Bulls to trade Valentine, if they do that the trade is Butler + 14 for Wiggins + 5, that is a pretty terrible return for an All-Star who is signed to what will be a very considered an extremely good contract. The Bulls are in the drivers seat, there are going to be a ton of teams who need an All-Star to try and get over the hump and beat Cavs/Warriors, all the Bulls have to do is be patient. If Butler had 1 or 2 years left itd be a different story. Edited June 24, 2016 by Soxbadger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 23, 2016 -> 08:17 PM) I think it tells me what had been reported a week ago that franchise was building around him and that he was privy to what was going on looks to be more true and whatever leaks were from other organizations. In sure bulls would listen though why wouldn't you. Get blown away and make the move. We were dealing from the position of strength. Hmmmm...maybe...but not really sure why or how the Bulls suddenly have decided to "consult" Butler on any moves? Are the really that tied to him to the affect of having him in the war room to "consult" with him? Not buying it. Not sure it's a position of strength...what strength? I don't know...Wiggins and Dunn would blow me away...plus there would be a ton of cap room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 I have no idea if Jimmy is suddenly all powerful or extremely vulnerable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 The Bulls totally screwed themselves tonight. Fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Not a fan at all of the pick but who knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxsoxsoxsox Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 23, 2016 -> 09:41 PM) I have no idea if Jimmy is suddenly all powerful or extremely vulnerable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 (edited) David Haugh @DavidHaugh 2h2 hours ago As @KCJHoop reports if Wolves-Bulls still talking trade of Butler, can't imagine Thibs passing on chance to coach All-Star he helped create. I dunno...still wouldn't discount this. Not that I'm enamored with what David Haugh thinks tho. A lot of these NBA deals occur after the draft..... Edited June 24, 2016 by Wanne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Trade talks ended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 If Ulis drops to is Id take a chance, that may just be the Illini fan in me not wanting to miss out twice though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jun 23, 2016 -> 10:04 PM) If Ulis drops to is Id take a chance, that may just be the Illini fan in me not wanting to miss out twice though. Suns get him. Lots of good value picks to start the 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 I'll be a Tar Heels homer, give me Marcus Paige. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jun 23, 2016 -> 09:20 PM) Suns get him. Lots of good value picks to start the 2nd. lol...geezus christ. The Suns throw more s*** against the wall with PGs every year hoping something sticks...and in the meantime trade the best one they had in Dragic. They have Bledsoe...sign Isaiah Thomas when they have Brandon Knight...and trade Dragic...not to mention Marshall from NC they drafted. Then draft Ennis...Harrison...and now Ulis. This is one f***ed up franchise...and l live here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 QUOTE (Wanne @ Jun 23, 2016 -> 09:28 PM) lol...geezus christ. The Suns throw more s*** against the wall with PGs every year hoping something sticks...and in the meantime trade the best one they had in Dragic. They have Bledsoe...sign Isaiah Thomas when they have Brandon Knight...and trade Dragic...not to mention Marshall from NC they drafted. Then draft Ennis...Harrison...and now Ulis. This is one f***ed up franchise...and l live here. I remember when the wolves kept doing that lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 QUOTE (Wanne @ Jun 23, 2016 -> 10:28 PM) lol...geezus christ. The Suns throw more s*** against the wall with PGs every year hoping something sticks...and in the meantime trade the best one they had in Dragic. They have Bledsoe...sign Isaiah Thomas when they have Brandon Knight...and trade Dragic...not to mention Marshall from NC they drafted. Then draft Ennis...Harrison...and now Ulis. This is one f***ed up franchise...and l live here. Eric Bledsoe is a stud if he can stay healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 AJ Hammons was a guy I thought maybe the Bulls could get with the 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jun 23, 2016 -> 10:35 PM) Eric Bledsoe is a stud if he can stay healthy. yeah...IF. I really don't think he wanted to stay here in Phx...but Suns caved and gave him the most quiche in his RFA year. And like SouthSide mentioned it was the Wolves that offered him. I wouldn't build my backcourt around him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Paul Zipser, SF from Germany. Member of German National team who played in the Bundesliga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Getting to know Paul Zipser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 TerriBULL pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jun 23, 2016 -> 09:01 PM) Trade talks ended. I don't think the Wolves talks are dead yet...that's just my 2¢ tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 (edited) And Butler is still a Bull. What a shock. And the Thunder are now the western conference favorites once Durant resigns. Edited June 24, 2016 by Jordan4life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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