2016-2017 NBA Thread

[Dick Allen]

Vinnie Goodwill at CSN is the coolest Bulls beat guy. When they asked him about the Bulls plane being pushed back, he just laughed, but he acknowledged beforehand that if the Bulls and Miami had similar offers to Wade, he would take the Bulls offer because he will have felt disrespected by Miami.

 

Looking at it from his angle, he obviously always wanted to play for the Bulls. He knows unless he joins Lebron or goes to GS on a minimum, he isn't winning anything no matter where he goes, so now is the time to get paid to play out the string.

 

I don't know how much he has left. I would guess not a lot or someone would give him 3 years. The whole he will attract a max guy or two seems farfetched to me (of course I thought he becoming a Bull was farfetched). First off, why would Rondo recruit someone who is supposed to recruit someone to take Rondo's place? And if you want to play with DWade, you get to play with him when he's 36 and on the last year of his deal and the last leg of his career. Doesn't make much sense.

 

They are going to be too good to be a bottom 3 or 4 team, so I hope they at least make the playoffs.

[bmags]

Vinnie Goodwill at CSN is the coolest Bulls beat guy. When they asked him about the Bulls plane being pushed back, he just laughed, but he acknowledged beforehand that if the Bulls and Miami had similar offers to Wade, he would take the Bulls offer because he will have felt disrespected by Miami.

 

Looking at it from his angle, he obviously always wanted to play for the Bulls. He knows unless he joins Lebron or goes to GS on a minimum, he isn't winning anything no matter where he goes, so now is the time to get paid to play out the string.

 

I don't know how much he has left. I would guess not a lot or someone would give him 3 years. The whole he will attract a max guy or two seems farfetched to me (of course I thought he becoming a Bull was farfetched). First off, why would Rondo recruit someone who is supposed to recruit someone to take Rondo's place? And if you want to play with DWade, you get to play with him when he's 36 and on the last year of his deal and the last leg of his career. Doesn't make much sense.

 

They are going to be too good to be a bottom 3 or 4 team, so I hope they at least make the playoffs.

 

I don't understand, why would he laugh? It's the real world.

[bigruss]

I don't understand, why would he laugh? It's the real world.

I read it as there is a specific reason why they didn't go to NY and that was a cover, but yea let's keep being salty.

[StrangeSox]

bmags' meltdown over the delayed flight is my favorite part of the NBA offseason so far

[shipps]

bmags' meltdown over the delayed flight is my favorite part of the NBA offseason so far

 

LOL I get it tho.

 

The Bulls FO have been so outright terrible in so many ways the past few years and then they both got to keep their jobs. As fans we had as much as we could take and that last bit of terrible just put bmags over the top.

[Chisoxfn]

I missed the fact that Wade got a player option. Obviously that changes the math considerably, though he's not going to do much recruiting if he opts out.

Yeah - It also allows the potential for Wade to be one of the guys who helps create flexibility (I think I alluded it to one of my posts somewhere).

[bmags]

bmags' meltdown over the delayed flight is my favorite part of the NBA offseason so far

 

I'm not freaking out about it, I was dying laughing at it only to be told its not funny and it's a completely normal excuse we hear all the time in sports free agency. It was a horrible excuse because they have terrible PR. They pride themselves on not commenting but let the stupidest stuff linger until you have to just assume they are terrible at their jobs.

 

And this from one of the most profitable teams in the league. Hire Edelman for PR for god sake.

 

[bmags]

That's my last post on the subject.

 

PR better. Plane better. Go wade.

[Jenksismyhero]

I'm not freaking out about it, I was dying laughing at it only to be told its not funny and it's a completely normal excuse we hear all the time in sports free agency. It was a horrible excuse because they have terrible PR. They pride themselves on not commenting but let the stupidest stuff linger until you have to just assume they are terrible at their jobs.

 

And this from one of the most profitable teams in the league. Hire Edelman for PR for god sake.

 

Or, again, you lack facts and are assuming a lot based on one tweet that wasn't even sourced directly to Gar or Pax.

[bmags]

Or, again, you lack facts and are assuming a lot based on one tweet that wasn't even sourced directly to Gar or Pax.

 

It doesn't have to come from them? If it came from them it would be more ridiculous. "we were waiting for the planes to come to us"..."We wanted a younger, more athletic plane, ended up acquiring the plane used in the movie Major League that chartered the Indians. Unfortunately injuries plagued it but we are staying the course".

[Y2Jimmy0]

I think the Bulls considered a full tear it down rebuild. This would have required trading Jimmy Butler. It didn't seem like they were getting enough in return for Jimmy to deal him. With this being the case, they would have been picking in the late lottery anyway. They would still be trying to sign free agents the next 2 off seasons and nobody would be coming to a bad team with nothing to look forward to. Wade and Rondo are stopgaps but I'm not willing to say that it doesn't get them closer to a title. A free agent or two is much more likely to come to the Bulls with Wade in tow and it sounds like Butler has been recruiting his ass off. Wade coming does more to the Bulls image in a positive way than it helps on the court. So yes, being the 6th seed in the East, with Wade/Rondo/Butler definitely puts them in a better position to sign a max player than going with just Butler and picking 11th in the draft does. They just weren't willing to tear it down completely because they would not have been bad enough next year to make it worthwhile. And they like playoff revenue.

[bmags]

I think the Bulls considered a full tear it down rebuild. This would have required trading Jimmy Butler. It didn't seem like they were getting enough in return for Jimmy to deal him. With this being the case, they would have been picking in the late lottery anyway. They would still be trying to sign free agents the next 2 off seasons and nobody would be coming to a bad team with nothing to look forward to. Wade and Rondo are stopgaps but I'm not willing to say that it doesn't get them closer to a title. A free agent or two is much more likely to come to the Bulls with Wade in tow and it sounds like Butler has been recruiting his ass off. Wade coming does more to the Bulls image in a positive way than it helps on the court. So yes, being the 6th seed in the East, with Wade/Rondo/Butler definitely puts them in a better position to sign a max player than going with just Butler and picking 11th in the draft does. They just weren't willing to tear it down completely because they would not have been bad enough next year to make it worthwhile. And they like playoff revenue.

 

None of the hypothetical offers for Jimmy were that good (from draft). It was a bad draft to trade him, and next year those players were probably too good and teams wouldn't trade out. I'm skeptical that Wade helps with anything, or that this team will be a 4th seed. THey have high, high risk of explosion due to injury and strange cohesion.

 

But the whole Wade coming back thing. I worry this is just a retirement tour and he won't be putting in the work to get these guys playing. He may end up as a circus signing. It wasn't long ago that the Lakers with Dwight and Nash were way worse than anyone imagine they could be. This team could have similar fit/age issues.

Edited July 7, 2016 by bmags

[Bigsoxhurt35]

None of the hypothetical offers for Jimmy were that good (from draft). It was a bad draft to trade him, and next year those players were probably too good and teams wouldn't trade out. I'm skeptical that Wade helps with anything, or that this team will be a 4th seed. THey have high, high risk of explosion due to injury and strange cohesion.

 

But the whole Wade coming back thing. I worry this is just a retirement tour and he won't be putting in the work to get these guys playing. He may end up as a circus signing. It wasn't long ago that the Lakers with Dwight and Nash were way worse than anyone imagine they could be. This team could have similar fit/age issues.

 

I think, Wade being the competitor he is, will have extra motivation next year. He felt disrespected by the Heat. Time will tell. f*** it. I'd rather have a worn down Wade than Rose. At least these guys recruit and try to get better players here.

[bmags]

I would rather watch a worn down Wade than Rose but I'm not sure we didn't just make a lot of movement to basically be in the same position we would be next year anyway. At the very least Robin Lopez is not the 2nd best player on the team which would have been unbearable.

[shipps]

With the addition of Wade and that

little b****

Rondo I am at least interested in what the team can be if one of previously bad/mediocre guys can all of sudden figure it out. If Niko, McD, Portis or maybe even Valentine comes in and has a great year that enlightens us all then we are working with something here. Unlikely, yeah but still possible enough to watch them for a while.

[bmags]

Paul Zipser too

[2nd_city_saint787]

When talking about cap for 2 max players next year, what does trading Lopez do? Isn't his deal perceived as pretty good relative to the contracts thrown around?

[Chisoxfn]

When talking about cap for 2 max players next year, what does trading Lopez do? Isn't his deal perceived as pretty good relative to the contracts thrown around?

You move Lopez and you are very close, barring some huge injury, you could move Lopez no problem.

[ZoomSlowik]

When talking about cap for 2 max players next year, what does trading Lopez do? Isn't his deal perceived as pretty good relative to the contracts thrown around?

It's still too tight if we assume Wade is here. Butler+Wade is about 43 mil (haven't seen exact # for next year). Two full-freight maxes already takes you barely over 102. Even if you assume 25 each, you have less than 10 mil for the rest of the roster, which doesn't really work.

 

I'll put it this way: the Warriors have Klay and Draymond at only 34 next year and they will have to give up basically everyone to keep Durant and Steph (though they may take less).

 

[Chisoxfn]

It's still too tight if we assume Wade is here. Butler+Wade is about 43 mil (haven't seen exact # for next year). Two full-freight maxes already takes you barely over 102. Even if you assume 25 each, you have less than 10 mil for the rest of the roster, which doesn't really work.

 

I'll put it this way: the Warriors have Klay and Draymond at only 34 next year and they will have to give up basically everyone to keep Durant and Steph (though they may take less).

Do they have to give them up? I presumed they would have bird rights, so they could just resign everyone and pay absurd luxury tax. Am I mistaken? (referring to the Warriors).

[Balta1701]

Do they have to give them up? I presumed they would have bird rights, so they could just resign everyone and pay absurd luxury tax. Am I mistaken? (referring to the Warriors).

I don't think they get full Bird rights on Durant - player has to be there for 3 years.

[bmags]

I don't think they get full Bird rights on Durant - player has to be there for 3 years.

 

But they could sign durant and then re-sign everyone, right?

[ZoomSlowik]

Do they have to give them up? I presumed they would have bird rights, so they could just resign everyone and pay absurd luxury tax. Am I mistaken? (referring to the Warriors).

I don't totally know what it means, but they do not have Bird rights on Durant. My understanding is they basically can't keep Iggy if the cap is 102 and they take close to the max.

[Balta1701]

But they could sign durant and then re-sign everyone, right?

Depends on the "Cap holds" - they would need to be able to fit all of the cap holds and Durant's full contract under the cap. Calculating all of those is more math than I have time to do right now, but a quick check and I think Curry's is $18 mil. Iguodala is slightly less but close - if a guy makes more than the NBA average salary the cap hold is 150% of their last year's salary.

[ZoomSlowik]

But they could sign durant and then re-sign everyone, right?

The other guys have cap holds specifically so they can't do that (although Steph's is lower due to his previous contract).