bmags Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 Ugh, a FULL recap. Thanks "Google". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 Dude celebrated pretty much like Rose after the cleveland 3pter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 19, 2016 -> 08:58 AM) Looks like it all grew from this bullsh*t. Into more bullsh*t. And even more bullsh*t. Listen, if it's not being discussed on Reddit or anywhere remotely trustworthy, it's not happening. And yes, that means I'm looking at you, ChristianToday.com. Thats a whole bunch of bulls*** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 Denzel Valentine has some Paul Pierce in him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 19, 2016 -> 11:20 AM) Denzel Valentine has some Paul Pierce in him Hm that would be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 19, 2016 -> 06:43 AM) Anyone buying into the Blake Griffin for Niko and Taj rumors? I love Blake, but this team needs the spacing Niko brings. Seriously....we are going to not acquire Blake cause of spacing issues. I don't know what the rumors are and I see zero reason why the Clips would do this, but if their is a legit way to get Blake for a package involving Taj and Niko, it would have been done yesterday. I don't even know what sort of package we could put together that would work for the Clips. Maybe if we signed Doc's kid and than could trade him back, but that is the only way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 Nate Silver did some analysis on the NBA draft picks and somehow projected Valentine as like the 3rd or 4th best player in terms of value over the next 5 years (I think it was 5 years). No idea what basis went into it, but thought I'd point it out. Simmons and Dunn were #1 / #2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 19, 2016 -> 10:55 AM) Ugh, a FULL recap. Thanks "Google". Edited July 19, 2016 by Steve9347 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananarchy Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 19, 2016 -> 12:21 PM) Nate Silver did some analysis on the NBA draft picks and somehow projected Valentine as like the 3rd or 4th best player in terms of value over the next 5 years (I think it was 5 years). No idea what basis went into it, but thought I'd point it out. Simmons and Dunn were #1 / #2. So far he looks good. With Hoiberg he'll get some serious minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 19, 2016 -> 12:21 PM) Nate Silver did some analysis on the NBA draft picks and somehow projected Valentine as like the 3rd or 4th best player in terms of value over the next 5 years (I think it was 5 years). No idea what basis went into it, but thought I'd point it out. Simmons and Dunn were #1 / #2. I have little doubt that he can contribute offensively but pretty worried defensively. He was probably tired this tourney but he looks stiff as a board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 The defense for this Bulls team will be something to behold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 Their rotations were such a mess last year. If they can clean that up, they'll be better even if they are somehow less athletic. Their communication sucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 19, 2016 -> 12:21 PM) Nate Silver did some analysis on the NBA draft picks and somehow projected Valentine as like the 3rd or 4th best player in terms of value over the next 5 years (I think it was 5 years). No idea what basis went into it, but thought I'd point it out. Simmons and Dunn were #1 / #2. I wouldn't put much stock in those, especially beyond year 1. They're based on college stats (which is a ridiculously small sample for most of these guys) and comparable players at the same age. The "range of outcomes" is also massive, they have Simmons worth something between 2 and 12 WARP in 2018. That's a big f***ing difference. Valentine will look decent because he was a great college player and his major flaws (athleticism and injury concerns) won't show up on paper. He'll also drop once more gifted players start showing improvement (something like Paul George, who I don't think most systems liked). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jul 19, 2016 -> 02:57 PM) I wouldn't put much stock in those, especially beyond year 1. They're based on college stats (which is a ridiculously small sample for most of these guys) and comparable players at the same age. The "range of outcomes" is also massive, they have Simmons worth something between 2 and 12 WARP in 2018. That's a big f***ing difference. Valentine will look decent because he was a great college player and his major flaws (athleticism and injury concerns) won't show up on paper. He'll also drop once more gifted players start showing improvement (something like Paul George, who I don't think most systems liked). Even though he may base that on college stats I wonder how accurate he has been in the past or if he has even done these ratings before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 Shipps did you ever catch Summer League fever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 19, 2016 -> 03:28 PM) Shipps did you ever catch Summer League fever? Reading what you guys have to say is the closest I will ever get to catching it, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (shipps @ Jul 19, 2016 -> 03:20 PM) Even though he may base that on college stats I wonder how accurate he has been in the past or if he has even done these ratings before. For all players, they said 80% were within 2 WAR of their projection for the 15/16 season (they just started). They missed by 4-7 WAR on a handful of players. It didn't specify for rookies, but I would assume it's less reliable due to less data, especially when projecting 3 years out. I know Hollinger did something similar in the past, and it had hits (liking Boozer and Millsap more than most) and misses (his numbers LOVED Michael Sweetney and to a lesser extent Sheldon Williams). Basically, it will be more accurate than your typical expert, but still far from reliable. I'm not picking on 538, that's true with most systems because for most guys it will be how and how much they improve from here. Edited July 19, 2016 by ZoomSlowik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Oh how I miss Rose and his comments. Superteam...LMAO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 10:55 AM) Oh how I miss Rose and his comments. Superteam...LMAO. He has narcissistic personality disorder or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Chicago in the hunt for the 2017 All Star Game. http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baske...0721-story.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 The word I got from several people who have been around Olympic team workouts is that Jimmy Butler has been as impressive as anyone.— Jeff Goodman (@GoodmanESPN) July 21, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 10:57 AM) He has narcissistic personality disorder or something. He is more out of touch with reality than I have ever seen any other player. His brothers have always made sure it never got to him so he never developed the ability to identify how people see him or the reality of anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Rose compliments teammates -> narcissist Jimmy's repeated over the top I'm a leader selfish comments -> leader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 11:42 AM) Rose compliments teammates -> narcissist Jimmy's repeated over the top I'm a leader selfish comments -> leader Nah Jimmy has been slowly creeping toward a bad rep since before the start of last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 11:42 AM) Rose compliments teammates -> narcissist Jimmy's repeated over the top I'm a leader selfish comments -> leader Ehhhh More like complete lack of self-awareness or his current stature in the league. Rose compared Melo, Rose, Porzingas to Curry, Durant, Thompson, Green. That is complete lack of awareness. Dumb s*** like this plays better in the GOP v LIB arguments in another forum. This is pretty cut and dry. Edited July 22, 2016 by Steve9347 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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