2016-2017 NBA Thread

[iamshack]

The game has now evolved into teams being three point shooters with everything else being secondary. The way the Bulls are set up with penetration and mid game range being the primary modes of scoring, which is much more like the 90's style of NBA basketball. The Bulls are totally set up around the guard positions, with no real outside shooting to speak of. It is a very Jordan era type team.

Ok, this is what I figured you meant, however, they still do have all the ball movement, which you mentioned. The ball movement is not quite what I would say is the "type" of basketball that was played in the Jordan era. Perhaps a bit with the triangle offense but still a lot more isolation.

 

Have 3-pointers become such a huge part of the sport now that if you aren't chucking a ton of those that the style of play you are engaged in is already referred to as "retro" or "old school"?

 

I didn't realize we had moved on so quickly!

[southsider2k5]

Ok, this is what I figured you meant, however, they still do have all the ball movement, which you mentioned. The ball movement is not quite what I would say is the "type" of basketball that was played in the Jordan era. Perhaps a bit with the triangle offense but still a lot more isolation.

 

Have 3-pointers become such a huge part of the sport now that if you aren't chucking a ton of those that the style of play you are engaged in is already referred to as "retro" or "old school"?

 

I didn't realize we had moved on so quickly!

 

I see the isolation play as being what happened in between the ball movement of the 90's and the three pointers of today. The last phase was more of the LeBron era of clear it out and let your best player go 1 on 1 in the best mismatch you can create offensively.

 

That's just how I see it.

[lostfan]

Ok, this is what I figured you meant, however, they still do have all the ball movement, which you mentioned. The ball movement is not quite what I would say is the "type" of basketball that was played in the Jordan era. Perhaps a bit with the triangle offense but still a lot more isolation.

 

Have 3-pointers become such a huge part of the sport now that if you aren't chucking a ton of those that the style of play you are engaged in is already referred to as "retro" or "old school"?

 

I didn't realize we had moved on so quickly!

If you watch the 90s Bulls they are the closest thing of the old teams to the way new teams play, it's like they were doing a beta version before everyone else started doing it. Even still, the conventional wisdom was shots closer to the basket were good, and three-point attempts were discouraged due to inefficiency, and long jumpers were something you should avoid doing, these days it's more about creating space with ball movement to spring guys open (the Warriors do this better than anyone except for maybe the Spurs). But you watch the teams that played them, like the Knicks, and man is it slow and plodding. They would try to feed Ewing in the post, then he'd dribble for position, it doesn't work, he kicks back out, they feed him again, they just keep doing this over and over and over... when they were actually creating shots they would pass them up because it's not what they were trying to do.

[lostfan]

I see the isolation play as being what happened in between the ball movement of the 90's and the three pointers of today. The last phase was more of the LeBron era of clear it out and let your best player go 1 on 1 in the best mismatch you can create offensively.

 

That's just how I see it.

Iverson in his prime too, and definitely Kobe.

[southsider2k5]

If you watch the 90s Bulls they are the closest thing of the old teams to the way new teams play, it's like they were doing a beta version before everyone else started doing it. Even still, the conventional wisdom was shots closer to the basket were good, and three-point attempts were discouraged due to inefficiency, and long jumpers were something you should avoid doing, these days it's more about creating space with ball movement to spring guys open (the Warriors do this better than anyone except for maybe the Spurs). But you watch the teams that played them, like the Knicks, and man is it slow and plodding. They would try to feed Ewing in the post, then he'd dribble for position, it doesn't work, he kicks back out, they feed him again, they just keep doing this over and over and over... when they were actually creating shots they would pass them up because it's not what they were trying to do.

 

Yeah, the center era was a mainstay of the NBA until one Michael Jeffrey Jordan came along.

[iamshack]

If you watch the 90s Bulls they are the closest thing of the old teams to the way new teams play, it's like they were doing a beta version before everyone else started doing it. Even still, the conventional wisdom was shots closer to the basket were good, and three-point attempts were discouraged due to inefficiency, and long jumpers were something you should avoid doing, these days it's more about creating space with ball movement to spring guys open (the Warriors do this better than anyone except for maybe the Spurs). But you watch the teams that played them, like the Knicks, and man is it slow and plodding. They would try to feed Ewing in the post, then he'd dribble for position, it doesn't work, he kicks back out, they feed him again, they just keep doing this over and over and over... when they were actually creating shots they would pass them up because it's not what they were trying to do.

Yeah, that was why the triangle was so successful, because it did require lots of movement away from the ball.

 

Ultimately, it just comes down to mathematics, I guess. How high a percentage can I shoot the 3 by creating open space for these sharpshooters and how many of those looks can I get per game?

 

It seems to me though as if the Spurs haven't necessarily gone crazy shooting 3's and they seem to do quite well in the post season.

[southsider2k5]

Iverson in his prime too, and definitely Kobe.

 

Teams did it at times, but it seemed to become an NBA thing around LeBron's time.

[southsider2k5]

Yeah, that was why the triangle was so successful, because it did require lots of movement away from the ball.

 

Ultimately, it just comes down to mathematics, I guess. How high a percentage can I shoot the 3 by creating open space for these sharpshooters and how many of those looks can I get per game?

 

It seems to me though as if the Spurs haven't necessarily gone crazy shooting 3's and they seem to do quite well in the post season.

 

Totally. And it reminds me a lot of what I have seen early from this Bulls team. All movement seems to have a purpose, and there is a lot of it going on at one time.

[lostfan]

Yeah, that was why the triangle was so successful, because it did require lots of movement away from the ball.

 

Ultimately, it just comes down to mathematics, I guess. How high a percentage can I shoot the 3 by creating open space for these sharpshooters and how many of those looks can I get per game?

 

It seems to me though as if the Spurs haven't necessarily gone crazy shooting 3's and they seem to do quite well in the post season.

It's definitely about numbers. Modern NBA players (especially LeBron) even talk about their own usage and efficiency.

 

The goal isn't so much about getting three-pointers in and of itself, it's about creating better shots with a higher likelihood of converting, and when that look is a three, it's valued more. Kind of like how walks started being valued more when we started using sabermetrics.

[iamshack]

It's definitely about numbers. Modern NBA players (especially LeBron) even talk about their own usage and efficiency.

 

The goal isn't so much about getting three-pointers in and of itself, it's about creating better shots with a higher likelihood of converting, and when that look is a three, it's valued more. Kind of like how walks started being valued more when we started using sabermetrics.

See that is was sort of my understanding of today's NBA, knowing that a few teams, such as GS, have definitely focused on the value of the 3 in recent years.

 

Getting open shots in and of itself seems to be something the Bulls are doing quite well thus far with this group, and that is why I was a bit thrown by the "retro" comment, which I think ss2k threw out a few days ago as well.

[Steve9347]

[Steve9347]

Derrick Rose has destroyed the Knicks' ability to move the ball. Man, it's crazy how much their offense looks like the Bulls' of the past few years.

 

Rose has then all all game. Melo has been reduced to no more than a catch and release guy, and Porzingas got 3 freaking shot attempts last night. Knicks fans are calling for Phil to be canned, and it's starting to look like Rose will fade out of the league sooner rather than later.

 

Hell of a super team.

[Kyyle23]

Derrick Rose has destroyed the Knicks' ability to move the ball. Man, it's crazy how much their offense looks like the Bulls' of the past few years.

 

Rose has then all all game. Melo has been reduced to no more than a catch and release guy, and Porzingas got 3 freaking shot attempts last night. Knicks fans are calling for Phil to be canned, and it's starting to look like Rose will fade out of the league sooner rather than later.

 

Hell of a super team.

 

Noah having a rough start too. Seems like he hasnt scored in most of the games he has played so far

[Chisoxfn]

Last night's game was ugly and we were still within two on the road against a good Boston game. Way too many turnovers and Amir Johnson going ham from three point range and we pull it out. Obviously they were short Horford and Crowder went down with an injury as well. That said, the fight remained and we continued to battle. Good signs. Rondo needs to be more aggressive when he has those layup opportunities.

[Chisoxfn]

I guarantee Rose is going to put everything on the court on Friday. I expect him to either have a fantastic performance or just an epically bad performance where he tries but just can't find his shot.

[southsider2k5]

Last night's game was ugly and we were still within two on the road against a good Boston game. Way too many turnovers and Amir Johnson going ham from three point range and we pull it out. Obviously they were short Horford and Crowder went down with an injury as well. That said, the fight remained and we continued to battle. Good signs. Rondo needs to be more aggressive when he has those layup opportunities.

 

They were really sloppy last night. It looked like a team that hasn't played together for most of the game.

[Steve9347]

[Brian]

Oh Boy. That was worse than Rondo's 4th quarter airball last night

[soxsoxsoxsox]

Last night's game was ugly and we were still within two on the road against a good Boston game.

 

It was like a 1 point game with a minute to go. Mirotic missed 2 free throws, then Rondo ran the the ball up and shot an air ball and that was GG.

Anyways, hope we crush the LOLKNICKS.

 

[fathom]

Terrible game by Bulls. Rondo might shoot 30 pct from the field this year in this offense

[iamshack]

Terrible game by Bulls. Rondo might shoot 30 pct from the field this year in this offense

Yeah, not much defense. Wade had probably the best game he's had in 5 years and they still lost.

[lostfan]

Rose always outplays Rondo no matter what teams they're on.

[Steve9347]

Everything about that game pissed me off.

 

Except Wade being awesome.

 

How do you lose with Wade and Butler getting 62 points?

[bmags]

A tale of two weeks. The movement off ball has stopped. The transition points aren't coming as freely.

[bmags]

Man. It's like the monstars drained away their talent suddenly.