Lip Man 1 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 QUOTE (ptatc @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 03:04 PM) OK. The question remains, who do you think he would sell to? I think it's sold after he dies. He will always own the team. I agree. Unless his health goes south in a hurry I think he keeps it until the day he passes. Then? Nobody really knows. I've asked some folks I know in the media just what they thought if there was any speculation and nobody really knows. Phil Rogers told me that actually had a meeting about this in the Tribune sports department to try to get a sense of what could happen and plan for it and there wasn't a consensus. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shago Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 11:45 AM) Boston has pitching? Not much after David Price. No kidding and also, not just about 2016 for them. BLOW IT UP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shago Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Sale is one bad delivery from blowing out his arm. He's awesome, we love him, but you can get FAR more value for him given the odds ... We ain't winning this year people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 The Red Sox are 16th in fWAR for pitching. Not great, not awful. Price/Wright/Porcello is a fine trio. They definitely need a mid-rotation guy. But Chris Sale? They could use those chips to improve someplace they really need it, like, say, catcher. Hmm who could they get to fill in there? The Rangers and Pirates are at 21 and 28, respectively. That is bad and REALLY bad for contending teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxforlife05 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (daggins @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 06:18 PM) The Red Sox are 16th in fWAR for pitching. Not great, not awful. Price/Wright/Porcello is a fine trio. They definitely need a mid-rotation guy. But Chris Sale? They could use those chips to improve someplace they really need it, like, say, catcher. Hmm who could they get to fill in there? The Rangers and Pirates are at 21 and 28, respectively. That is bad and REALLY bad for contending teams. I think the Red Sox would be more likely to trade for a guy like Q. A team that is a wild card contender will make a big splash/overpay for Sale to go for a championship. If we go the minor league route and get some great talent evaluators we might be able to get 6-8 guys back. Hopefully 1 would be an all-star and 2 more would be regulars. Could solve 1/3 of our lineup and slot in Anderson/Eaton as vets with Collins/etc coming up through the system and supplement with a big bat at 1B/DH and OF down the road and that could be a pretty good team. Edited June 21, 2016 by soxforlife05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain54 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 02:59 PM) Except JR doesn't own 100% of the team. No one knows exactly how much JR owns. It's never been publicly revealed. In a 2013 interview, JR said the investors themselves aren't even sure what JR's share of the pie is Edited June 21, 2016 by captain54 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 QUOTE (captain54 @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 06:27 PM) No one knows exactly how much JR owns. It's never been publicly revealed. I will 100% promise you that it is not 100%, or anything close to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 06:32 PM) I will 100% promise you that it is not 100%, or anything close to it. 99.8? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 06:34 PM) 99.8? 99.9999% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 You aren't getting fair value for sale for another 2 years minimum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shago Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 06:35 PM) 99.9999% Less than people think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Boston fans are probably salivating at Sale's performance tonight over their Sox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 08:23 PM) Boston fans are probably salivating at Sale's performance tonight over their Sox Boston writers will have the Sale trade to the Red Sox ironed out by Wednesday morning. The White Sox should get a robust collection of prospects that Boston writers and fans do not want. Edited June 22, 2016 by BlackSox13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 08:29 PM) Boston writers will have the Sale trade to the Red Sox ironed out by Wednesday morning. The White Sox should get a robust collection of prospects that Boston writers and fans do not want. A bunch of Boston fans I saw talking online seemed to agree on Sale for Moncada and Espinoza Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCsoxfan Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Sale for Bogaerts/Bradley Jr and any two prospects ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 09:00 PM) Sale for Bogaerts/Bradley Jr and any two prospects ? I doubt Boston would do that. Therefore, they don't get Chris Sale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCsoxfan Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 If it doesn't make the other side cringe, you DONT trade someone like Chris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 08:29 PM) Boston writers will have the Sale trade to the Red Sox ironed out by Wednesday morning. The White Sox should get a robust collection of prospects that Boston writers and fans do not want. AND....Allen Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 09:07 PM) If it doesn't make the other side cringe, you DONT trade someone like Chris. Exactly...gotta give up something valuable to get something valuable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCsoxfan Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 My problem with trading a guy like Sale is more theoretical. You are highly certain (outside an injury) that Sale is worth X per year (WAR or whatever) for Y years. Even if you acquire a handful of high prospects the probability and therefore expected value of the prospects WAR ends up being a big risk. So to get equal value on an expected value basis, you actually have to get back a return such that the average return would warrant it, but if they all hit you'd be way ahead. This is necessary since the probability of any prospect "hitting" is far below probability of Sale maintaining his value. Moreover, you'd never do a deal where you'd need ALL the prospects to hit in order for it to justify the return. So maybe this is a dumb mathematical way of looking at it, but it's essentially scenario analysis. You'd trade a known quantity to get a range of potential outcomes. And given how good Chris is, they'd have to trade a ridiculous package (prob more than we even think) to warrant it from an expected value perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 12:23 PM) He wouldn't be close and prepare for an all star snub possibility too. I love Q, but get real. Yep. And it should be pretty obvious too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxforlife05 Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 09:46 PM) My problem with trading a guy like Sale is more theoretical. You are highly certain (outside an injury) that Sale is worth X per year (WAR or whatever) for Y years. Even if you acquire a handful of high prospects the probability and therefore expected value of the prospects WAR ends up being a big risk. So to get equal value on an expected value basis, you actually have to get back a return such that the average return would warrant it, but if they all hit you'd be way ahead. This is necessary since the probability of any prospect "hitting" is far below probability of Sale maintaining his value. Moreover, you'd never do a deal where you'd need ALL the prospects to hit in order for it to justify the return. So maybe this is a dumb mathematical way of looking at it, but it's essentially scenario analysis. You'd trade a known quantity to get a range of potential outcomes. And given how good Chris is, they'd have to trade a ridiculous package (prob more than we even think) to warrant it from an expected value perspective. This ownership group is not going to re-sign him though. So you are risking an injury to Sale over those non-contending years and at the same time he will be gone from the team by the time the next window for contention opens up. The cumulative WAR acquired through trade will be more valuable down the road rather than used up by having control over Sale in non-contending seasons. Instead you can acquire top prospects to speed up the rebuild assuming you have the correct talent evaluators in place and draft well. Then we may be in a position to retain all our future stars by the time the next contention window opens up and our new ownership is in place. Edited June 22, 2016 by soxforlife05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 I would be ok with us trading Q for a collection of players, I mean s***, we don't score any runs for him anyway. I'm almost starting to think it's not even a statistical anomaly anymore and the players may actually be conscious of it at this point. Trade Quintana to Boston for Betts, Moncada, Benintendi, and Owens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Jun 22, 2016 -> 06:26 AM) I would be ok with us trading Q for a collection of players, I mean s***, we don't score any runs for him anyway. I'm almost starting to think it's not even a statistical anomaly anymore and the players may actually be conscious of it at this point. Trade Quintana to Boston for Betts, Moncada, Benintendi, and Owens. I agree we should trade Q. The Sox simply cannot score runs for him, so be merciful and trade him for 4 very good prospects. It's not working out cause the Sox won't play ball the days he pitches. They just won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 11:26 PM) I would be ok with us trading Q for a collection of players, I mean s***, we don't score any runs for him anyway. I'm almost starting to think it's not even a statistical anomaly anymore and the players may actually be conscious of it at this point. Trade Quintana to Boston for Betts, Moncada, Benintendi, and Owens. They could get him for the three prospects. No way they include Betts in the deal as well. Maybe Moncada, Benitendi, Owens and Swihart/Vasquez, something like that. I also don't think they'd be will willing to give up Rodriguez in return, either. Not for Q. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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