Of course Todd Frazier is hitting under .200

[Steve9347]

Why do we have such s*** luck with these farm boys? If Adam Dunn could've consistently hit .240, he'd have been great. Frazier has 21 bombs which is awesome, but hitting .199 is unacceptable. It just feels like the Sox are snake bitten lately. No one needs Todd to hit .320, but .199?

 

Dammit what the f***!!

[Jose Abreu]

At first I chalked it up to bad BABIP luck, but it seems like he's either always striking out or hitting weak choppers to the shortstop, so I don't really have an explanation for it.

[Jake]

There's definitely enough stuff going on with his batted ball trends to say it is not merely luck going on. Maybe he's been more unlucky than lucky, but he's hitting a lot of pop-ups, not many line drives, and is pulling everything on the ground. These are all differences from career norms. His defense has also not been fabulous, per some metrics and my eyeballs over the past 3-4 weeks.

[ChiSoxFanMike]

There's definitely enough stuff going on with his batted ball trends to say it is not merely luck going on. Maybe he's been more unlucky than lucky, but he's hitting a lot of pop-ups, not many line drives, and is pulling everything on the ground. These are all differences from career norms. His defense has also not been fabulous, per some metrics and my eyeballs over the past 3-4 weeks.

This is what I was trying to explain in a different thread, but Y2Jimmy and a few others didn't get what I was saying.

 

He doesn't have much of any bad luck at all. He just can't make solid contact consistently enough for that BABIP to go up.

 

I also think he's quite overrated defensively. He's ok, but not as good as I thought he would be.

[Bob Sacamano]

This is what I was trying to explain in a different thread, but Y2Jimmy and a few others didn't get what I was saying.

 

He doesn't have much of any bad luck at all. He just can't make solid contact consistently enough for that BABIP to go up.

 

I also think he's quite overrated defensively. He's ok, but not as good as I thought he would be.

 

But much better than we've trotted out there in recent years.

[soxfan49]

Frazier grew up in New Jersey, no? I don't think he's a "farm boy."

 

Getting to the point though, yes he does suck. Apparently Stone said he laughed it off the other day by saying "I may have 50 homers and 10 doubles." Hilarious!

[Bananarchy]

It's seems like every year there's a new anomaly in this organization.

[greg775]

I would think the Sabes people would say he's been valuable. An old fashioned stat like batting average doesn't matter much anymore. He produces runs and hits home runs consistently unlike Dunn who hit 'em in bunches.

[bmags]

I would think the Sabes people would say he's been valuable. An old fashioned stat like batting average doesn't matter much anymore. He produces runs and hits home runs consistently unlike Dunn who hit 'em in bunches.

 

BUt for a man of his speed to have so few doubles says a lot about how true it is that he only is hitting home runs. Dunn didn't hit a lot of doubles but he was also slow.

[Dick Allen]

His OBP isn't down that much. He will hit better.21 long balls is nice.

[caulfield12]

Why do we have such s*** luck with these farm boys? If Adam Dunn could've consistently hit .240, he'd have been great. Frazier has 21 bombs which is awesome, but hitting .199 is unacceptable. It just feels like the Sox are snake bitten lately. No one needs Todd to hit .320, but .199?

 

Dammit what the f***!!

 

 

Joe Crede and Mark Buehrle were farm boys, as well. So was Jim Thome.

 

Don't think that's the common thread, unless we want to start arguing Mike Trout came from a farm, too.

Edited June 26, 2016 by caulfield12

[ptatc]

This is what I was trying to explain in a different thread, but Y2Jimmy and a few others didn't get what I was saying.

 

He doesn't have much of any bad luck at all. He just can't make solid contact consistently enough for that BABIP to go up.

 

I also think he's quite overrated defensively. He's ok, but not as good as I thought he would be.

Someone posted an article in another thread showing that he has changed his swing. He now swings with more of an upper cut. This would cause the increased pop up rate and decreased line drives.

 

I still think there is something about Comiskey that gets these guys to try to lift everything for a HR and really messes with them.

[ptatc]

Frazier grew up in New Jersey, no? I don't think he's a "farm boy."

 

Getting to the point though, yes he does suck. Apparently Stone said he laughed it off the other day by saying "I may have 50 homers and 10 doubles." Hilarious!

Yes, he Toms River Jersey city guy. Another bias against the sterotypical "big strong farm hick."

[caulfield12]

Someone posted an article in another thread showing that he has changed his swing. He now swings with more of an upper cut. This would cause the increased pop up rate and decreased line drives.

 

I still think there is something about Comiskey that gets these guys to try to lift everything for a HR and really messes with them.

 

 

Yeah, the Washington Post had a detailed article about it maybe 2-3 weeks ago. Can't remember where I posted it now.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fancy-s...en-a-nose-dive/

 

Here it is again.

Edited June 26, 2016 by caulfield12

[BlackSox13]

I blame the 2015 HR Derby.

[Jake]

Joe Crede and Mark Buehrle were farm boys, as well. So was Jim Thome.

 

Don't think that's the common thread, unless we want to start arguing Mike Trout came from a farm, too.

 

I prefer wild-caught Trout

 

Someone posted an article in another thread showing that he has changed his swing. He now swings with more of an upper cut. This would cause the increased pop up rate and decreased line drives.

 

I still think there is something about Comiskey that gets these guys to try to lift everything for a HR and really messes with them.

 

Yeah there have been times where it almost seemed as if his mind is telling him when he should swing and what he can hit, but his mind assumes he has the swing he used to.

[kitekrazy]

It's seems like every year there's a new anomaly in this organization.

 

They all come from the NL. Once he has a 1 year of facing AL pitching maybe he'll be better. At some point you have to ignore every stat and look at history. Few NL players have success in this organization. Eaton has but only spent 2 years in the NL. There's a pattern that maybe says it's time to stop.

 

[Y2Jimmy0]

They all come from the NL. Once he has a 1 year of facing AL pitching maybe he'll be better. At some point you have to ignore every stat and look at history. Few NL players have success in this organization. Eaton has but only spent 2 years in the NL. There's a pattern that maybe says it's time to stop.

 

 

Thome, Dye, and Podsednik were all pretty good. Dye and Thome spent time in the AL prior though. Melky is fine and he's been in both leagues. Case by case basis.

[GreenSox]

NL/AL?

 

Or inside of Great American Ballpark v. outside of GAB

 

His splits stuck out like a sore thumb, when evaluating the possibility of trading for him.

Road OPS

2013 .659

2014 .717

2015 .733

2016 .785

I guess one can wishcast that he'd hit in the Cell like he hit in the GAB.

More likely, what you see is what you get.

 

Heck, we're getting a career year out of him on the road.

 

 

Edited June 27, 2016 by GreenSox

[ptatc]

Thome, Dye, and Podsednik were all pretty good. Dye and Thome spent time in the AL prior though. Melky is fine and he's been in both leagues. Case by case basis.

Posters were calling for his head last year. I think it did take him a year to adjust, to the league again and maybe the park.

[Dick Allen]

How do teams score during interleague games?

 

The changing leagues I don't think is as big as some want to make it. I'm sure there is a bit of adjustment, but it doesn't take 70 points off your batting average and cost you 30 doubles.

[Jose Abreu]

Posters were calling for his head last year. I think it did take him a year to adjust, to the league again and maybe the park.

But he was still a decent hitter last year.

[Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm]

I think a part of the problem is that Frazier was brought in to "bring life" to the middle of the order hitting cleanup behind Abreu... when in reality on a playoff bound team, he would be hitting 5th or 6th.

 

It speaks more to the lack of offensive production elsewhere on the order. Granted, he is having a WTF season, but I honestly think he'd be better off batting 5th or 6th, with a leftie thumper between he and Abreu.

[Bob Sacamano]

How do teams score during interleague games?

 

The changing leagues I don't think is as big as some want to make it. I'm sure there is a bit of adjustment, but it doesn't take 70 points off your batting average and cost you 30 doubles.

 

Exactly. It's overblown.

[Jake]

As for home/road splits, you can't attribute everything to the home ballpark. League-wide in a typical year players hit (on average) 7-10% better at home than on the road. Some guys just really benefit from the routine and familiarity more than others.