Y2HH Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Jul 7, 2016 -> 12:41 PM) Um, I actually do live in Mexico, I'm in the US temporarily taking care of a family matter. I might have to stay until October or November but I really do want to go back home. BTW, I've never had an bad encounter with the police in Mexico...can't say the same here in the US. That may be true, but you act like Mexico is safe in comparison. Mexico absolutely dwarfs the US in murder rate, murder rate per capita, and overall homicide rate. While we dwarf them in gun crime (obviously), our murder rate is still astronomically lower. And since police kill about 25x less people per year than the flu does...I'd say you're odds are getting killed by those dastardly american police officers is pretty low. It's one thing to be upset by what occurred...it's another to start making claims that just don't stand up to scrutiny. http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/c...e/Violent-crime Edited July 7, 2016 by Y2HH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 Police officers never kill anybody in Mexico! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Iguala_mass_kidnapping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jul 7, 2016 -> 11:50 AM) That may be true, but you act like Mexico is safe in comparison. Mexico absolutely dwarfs the US in murder rate, murder rate per capita, and overall homicide rate. While we dwarf them in gun crime (obviously), our murder rate is still astronomically lower. And since police kill about 25x less people per year than the flu does...I'd say you're odds are getting killed by those dastardly american police officers is pretty low. It's one thing to be upset by what occurred...it's another to start making claims that just don't stand up to scrutiny. http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/c...e/Violent-crime It depends on where you live, I GUARANTEE you that Chicago has a much higher murder rate than the city of Queretaro, which is where I and my family live. I don't know why you guys get your panties in a bunch for me saying something THAT I FEEL. I feel safer in Queretaro than I do in San Antonio. Anyways, I don't want to make this about me but I have no idea why Y2HH attacked me for a personal opinion I posted. We are free to post opinions aren't we? Edited July 7, 2016 by MexSoxFan#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 Man, are we hiring the wrong police officers? Less than half have college degrees and that half is less likely to use force. Do we need to up the requirements to be an officer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Jul 7, 2016 -> 01:01 PM) It depends on where you live, I GUARANTEE you that Chicago has a much higher murder rate than Queretaro, which is where I and my family live. I don't know why you guys get your panties in a bunch for me saying something THAT I FEEL. I feel safer in Queretaro than I do in San Antonio. Anyways, I don't want to make this about me but I have no idea why Y2HH attacked me for an opinion I posted. We are free to post opinions are we? Damn, thats a pretty big city Ive never heard of, and 22nd in the country in population? s***. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Jul 7, 2016 -> 01:01 PM) It depends on where you live, I GUARANTEE you that Chicago has a much higher murder rate than Queretaro, which is where I and my family live. I don't know why you guys get your panties in a bunch for me saying something THAT I FEEL. I feel safer in Queretaro than I do in San Antonio. Anyways, I don't want to make this about me but I have no idea why Y2HH attacked me for an opinion I posted. We are free to post opinions are we? Chicago happens to have a violent gang problem that accounts for 95% of the violent crime (likely more than 95%, but I'm being generous). Apples to Apples, please. I can easily say it depends on where you live in the US, too... Also, I didn't "attack your opinion", I attacked your "facts"...you cannot have an opinion on which is more dangerous as data exist to back that up. Mexico is either safer than the US, or it isn't...this isn't an opinion. And, as the facts show, it isn't safer in any regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 7, 2016 -> 12:03 PM) Damn, thats a pretty big city Ive never heard of, and 22nd in the country in population? s***. Queretaro is actually one of the biggest cities in Mexico and has a pretty low crime rate, comparable to first world nations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jul 7, 2016 -> 01:06 PM) Chicago happens to have a violent gang problem that accounts for 95% of the violent crime (likely more than 95%, but I'm being generous). Apples to Apples, please. I can easily say it depends on where you live in the US, too... Also, I didn't "attack your opinion", I attacked your "facts"...you cannot have an opinion on which is more dangerous as data exist to back that up. Mexico is either safer than the US, or it isn't...this isn't an opinion. And, as the facts show, it isn't safer in any regard. But man their cities are so much more populated than the US, its crazy. I cant believe I never knew that was so across the board like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Jul 7, 2016 -> 01:08 PM) Queretaro is actually one of the biggest cities in Mexico and has a pretty low crime rate, comparable to first world nations. It says its the 22nd largest, and over 2 million, thats crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jul 7, 2016 -> 01:06 PM) Chicago happens to have a violent gang problem that accounts for 95% of the violent crime (likely more than 95%, but I'm being generous). Apples to Apples, please. I can easily say it depends on where you live in the US, too... Also, I didn't "attack your opinion", I attacked your "facts"...you cannot have an opinion on which is more dangerous as data exist to back that up. Mexico is either safer than the US, or it isn't...this isn't an opinion. And, as the facts show, it isn't safer in any regard. His home town has a substantially lower crime rate than Chicago (not where he's at right now anyway) or San Antonio (where he is actually at). Either way who cares, he's talking about how he personally feels as a minority around police in this country, and there are plenty of statistics to show that minorities do have reason to be more fearful of police than white people do. Edited July 7, 2016 by StrangeSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 lmao at Y2HH telling MexSoxFan how to feel. QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 7, 2016 -> 02:02 PM) Man, are we hiring the wrong police officers? Less than half have college degrees and that half is less likely to use force. Do we need to up the requirements to be an officer? I'd say yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 7, 2016 -> 01:10 PM) lmao at Y2HH telling MexSoxFan how to feel. I'd say yes. I never told anyone how to feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 7, 2016 -> 01:10 PM) His home town has a substantially lower crime rate than Chicago (not where he's at right now anyway) or San Antonio (where he is actually at). Either way who cares, he's talking about how he personally feels as a minority around police in this country, and there are plenty of statistics to show that minorities do have reason to be more fearful of police than white people do. Again, I never told him how to feel. There are people afraid of getting hit by blimps, too...and they're free to feel that way. It's absurd, but feel away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 (edited) You guys have no clue Take it from a fellow American living in Mexico, in fact, there are many youtube videos in which American citizens say they feel safer in Mexico than the US. I'll post them later when I'm home so you guys don't think I'm BSing you. Edited July 7, 2016 by MexSoxFan#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Jul 7, 2016 -> 01:14 PM) You guys have no clue Take from a fellow American living in Mexico, in fact, there are many in which American citizens say they feel safer in Mexico than the US. We're getting on a bit of a tangent here, but I'd imagine most Americans' exposure to news from Mexico (including my own) is just the latest sensationalist crime/murder/cartel bulls*** story and little else. Similar to how I'd imagine most of this country hears about Chicago based on the several times I've been asked "so do you carry a gun when you go to the city?" while traveling to other parts of the country for work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 7, 2016 -> 12:10 PM) His home town has a substantially lower crime rate than Chicago (not where he's at right now anyway) or San Antonio (where he is actually at). Either way who cares, he's talking about how he personally feels as a minority around police in this country, and there are plenty of statistics to show that minorities do have reason to be more fearful of police than white people do. Thank you Finally a voice of reason and someone who doesn't feel I attacked him for saying I feel safer in Mexico than in the US Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Jul 7, 2016 -> 01:17 PM) Thank you Finally a voice of reason and someone who doesn't feel I attacked him for saying I feel safer in Mexico than in the US That's not what a voice of reason is. You can feel free to feel safer in Mexico than in the US despite Mexico being FAR more dangerous than the US. You try to cherry pick one geographic area, and then compare it to one of the US's most violent geographic areas as if that matters. People believe that GMO's are bad, and vaccinations cause autism too...and they're free to feel that way. They're morons, but they're free to feel however they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jul 7, 2016 -> 12:22 PM) That's not what a voice of reason is. You can feel free to feel safer in Mexico than in the US despite Mexico being FAR more dangerous than the US. You try to cherry pick one geographic area, and then compare it to one of the US's most violent geographic areas as if that matters. People believe that GMO's are bad, and vaccinations cause autism too...and they're free to feel that way. They're morons, but they're free to feel however they want. I can see you didn't bother to watch the video I linked. The US is all around more dangerous than Mexico, fact. The numbers are way skewed because of the drug cartel killings but if you mind your own business and don't go messing with the wrong crowd (drug cartels), you'll be fine. I'll take a page from you and also add that about 95% of murders in Mexico are cartel related (I'm being generous, probably 98%) Edited July 7, 2016 by MexSoxFan#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 Life is great when you're white. I mean hot damn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Jul 7, 2016 -> 01:27 PM) I can see you didn't bother to watch the video I linked. The US is all around more dangerous than Mexico, fact. The numbers are way skewed because of the drug cartel killings but if you mind your own business and don't go messing with the wrong crowd (drug cartels), you'll be fine. I'll take a page from you and also add that about 95% of murders in Mexico are cartel related (I'm being generous, probably 98%) You don't think that gang violence skews the numbers in the US, or especially in Chicago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 7, 2016 -> 01:17 PM) We're getting on a bit of a tangent here, but I'd imagine most Americans' exposure to news from Mexico (including my own) is just the latest sensationalist crime/murder/cartel bulls*** story and little else. Similar to how I'd imagine most of this country hears about Chicago based on the several times I've been asked "so do you carry a gun when you go to the city?" while traveling to other parts of the country for work. I didnt know about the top 30 cities or so in mexico, shows what I've been exposed to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Jul 7, 2016 -> 01:27 PM) I can see you didn't bother to watch the video I linked. The US is all around more dangerous than Mexico, fact. The numbers are way skewed because of the drug cartel killings but if you mind your own business and don't go messing with the wrong crowd (drug cartels), you'll be fine. I'll take a page from you and also add that about 95% of murders in Mexico are cartel related (I'm being generous, probably 98%) No, that's NOT a fact. I posted data to prove this wrong, stop repeating it now. This isn't an opinion of yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 At least Mexico treats their immigrants better than the US, right? https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015...gs-of-migrants/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 7, 2016 -> 12:30 PM) You don't think that gang violence skews the numbers in the US, or especially in Chicago? Yes it does, but so does the drug cartel related violence in Mexico. There a very safe parts in Mexico where there are no cartel related violence (where I live) and there are dangerous parts where the cartels are going at it, Tijuana and Cd Juarez, for example. You guys think all Mexico is non stop violence is just way off. There wouldn't be communities of American citizens living in Mexico if that were the case. Y2HH has no idea what he's talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jul 7, 2016 -> 01:34 PM) No, that's NOT a fact. I posted data to prove this wrong, stop repeating it now. This isn't an opinion of yours. Let's get rid of gang related violence in both countries. Where does that roughly leave both in terms of violence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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