Buehrle>Wood Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 We riot...am I right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 Dan HayesVerified account @CSNHayes Still might be nothing, but Robin Ventura stopped by to talk to David Robertson for a minute or two in postgame last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted July 9, 2016 Author Share Posted July 9, 2016 Hurt left leg. Wasn't available. Doubtful for tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 Left leg soreness. So he's doubtful for tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted July 9, 2016 Author Share Posted July 9, 2016 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 9, 2016 -> 04:03 PM) We riot...am I right? I've rioted too much this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 And the injuries keep piling up. Big ones and small ones. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 That was suffered (apparently) in that Wednesday game that we were all saying it wasn't necessary to use him...oh, well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 9, 2016 -> 06:25 PM) That was suffered (apparently) in that Wednesday game that we were all saying it wasn't necessary to use him...oh, well. it was stupid then and stupid now. He didn't "need work". RV took another un necessary risk with the pen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkness99 Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 Yikes the pitching situation isn't so great right now.... need the All Star break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jul 9, 2016 -> 11:27 PM) it was stupid then and stupid now. He didn't "need work". RV took another un necessary risk with the pen. What? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jul 9, 2016 -> 08:30 PM) What? it was a 5-0 game, DR, because "he needed work" was inserted into the non save situation. He hurt his leg. Almost fugged them today. Might again tmr. It was a stupid decision by RV: you give your closer all the rest he can get this time of year. Let him throw a simulated game or some s*** if he's really hurting for work. RV's risking injury or a confidence problem (non save situation, your closer, hopefully he doesn't give up a couple...) for the huge upside of avoiding giving your closer a 6 day layoff at worst. What's the upside? Zero. These things add up with RV... Edited July 10, 2016 by chitownsportsfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 Someone would have to look up the numbers at FG, but the Yankees' announcers have been consistently claiming Robertson was a much harder thrower when he faced them in the past pitching for NY. Can't help but think that overuse/fatigue over time (and part of it's due to throwing so many cutters, arguably) has eroded some of his velocity. Typically, he's struggles the most when pitching 4-5 times in a week or back-to-back or especially when it's more than an inning and he has to pitch again right after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkness99 Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 (edited) I don't like pitching closers in non close situations... UNLESS the game is out of reach and lost. But... there are many other factors that can play into this. Like injuries... Edited July 10, 2016 by harkness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 9, 2016 -> 08:50 PM) Someone would have to look up the numbers at FG, but the Yankees' announcers have been consistently claiming Robertson was a much harder thrower when he faced them in the past pitching for NY. eh, the stats. they are full of s*** mostly. the problem, as we all see with DR, is that much like Carlos he either has OK fastball command or no fastball command. They do well when they have it, meh (at best) when they don't. Look at the run values for his fastball this year. his cutter is as good as ever, his fastball is either missing or getting too much of the plate is my guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 To me, Robertson's 2nd most effective "swing and miss" pitch is that knuckle curve. Perhaps, the most effective in avoiding contact, except when he hangs it. For some reason, it feels like his cutter has been getting fouled off more, and while it can get him ahead in counts, isn't a knockout pitch like it was in the past because everyone is keying on it. And it's just not quite as sharp as it was in the past, or like Mariano's (obviously, nobody's is THAT's good, it might as well be his HoF plaque instead of his bust). Once again, FG could back that up (or not). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 FWIW, it was not an ordinary 5-0 situation. There were at least 2 men on and frankly I wouldn't have been comfortable staying with Duke or bringing anyone else short of Jones in for that situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 QUOTE (harkness @ Jul 9, 2016 -> 06:51 PM) I don't like pitching closers in non close situations... UNLESS the game is out of reach and lost. But... there are many other factors that can play into this. Like injuries... It's silly honestly. Funny that Stone always brings that up when the sox or another club do it. It's not that smart of a move yet teams do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 9, 2016 -> 07:00 PM) To me, Robertson's 2nd most effective "swing and miss" pitch is that knuckle curve. Perhaps, the most effective in avoiding contact, except when he hangs it. For some reason, it feels like his cutter has been getting fouled off more, and while it can get him ahead in counts, isn't a knockout pitch like it was in the past because everyone is keying on it. And it's just not quite as sharp as it was in the past, or like Mariano's (obviously, nobody's is THAT's good, it might as well be his HoF plaque instead of his bust). Once again, FG could back that up (or not). It is and I think the main problem seems to be his fastball. Hasn't had great command of it and seems like the velocity of it is down. Not sure because I haven't checked to see for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie for Manager Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 Just be up by 8 runs early and no need to worry about this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 QUOTE (ecupittfan @ Jul 10, 2016 -> 02:58 AM) Just be up by 8 runs early and no need to worry about this Tell that to the Royals, who rallied from a 7-run deficit vs. the Sox in the ninth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swingandalongonetoleft Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 QUOTE (ecupittfan @ Jul 9, 2016 -> 07:58 PM) Just be up by 8 runs early and no need to worry about this eh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 9, 2016 -> 06:50 PM) Someone would have to look up the numbers at FG, but the Yankees' announcers have been consistently claiming Robertson was a much harder thrower when he faced them in the past pitching for NY. Can't help but think that overuse/fatigue over time (and part of it's due to throwing so many cutters, arguably) has eroded some of his velocity. QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 9, 2016 -> 07:54 PM) It is and I think the main problem seems to be his fastball. Hasn't had great command of it and seems like the velocity of it is down. Not sure because I haven't checked to see for sure. Maybe Coop "fixed em." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 Robertson was horrible vs KC and had another bad outing in a blowout loss to the Nats. Other than that 4 runs allowed in 35 innings. Reading about his demise is laughable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/pitching/_/sort/saves On this page of the top 40 saves leaders in major leagues, Robertson has a WHIP of 1.40, which really isn't that good and I hope isn't considered elite or worth one of the Top 3 salaries in baseball for a closer. He's ahead of only Ziegler, McGee, Rosenthal (deposed from closer's role), Tolleson (deposed from closer's role) and Arodys Vizcaino. Not exactly the best of company for his salary. You want to talk about WAR instead? There are 19 relievers on that same page ahead of Robertson's 0.9, which for a full year equates to less than a 2 WAR. Some of the relievers in that same category? K-Rod, Santiago Casilla, Jonathan Papelbon and Ryan Madson. Not exactly elite again. If he's not a problem, then he's certainly not one of the 3-5 best closers in baseball, which he's clearly being paid to be. Unless you want to go through this list and tell us all the closers that you would currently rank Robertson ahead of, all stats to the contrary, you'd be quite generous to put him in the top 50%. Certainly not based on output per contract dollar or ROI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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